Just what the titles says. I'm just curious to what the community think why this happened? Mainly because I want to know to satiate my curiosity. I'm not entirely sure myself. I'm hoping its not a bug created by the classification change of his ult to AOE and DOT. Anyway shoot. Also this is a legit post and question. Keep to just a discussion. None of the favorite old being salty at Lucian as a champ.
Salvor Hardın8 votesLucian win rate dropped near 3% without changes this patch. What are you guys thoughts?
and 
Buffs maybe?
Violent Hunter1 votes[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-22T19:06:03.502+0000)
I thought about that too but Idk if those two are counters to Lucian so them becoming stronger shouldn't necessarily make him worst. It is entirely possible.
Sir Saltarin1 votesCait used to counter him, but Xayah has never been a good champ against Luci.
OtterlyLost5 votesI can't see why Xayah getting buffed would have affected him... For that matter, since he rushes BoRK, I can't see why Cait would either; he has the sustain to out live her poke in lane...
… Actually looking at the buffs for Cait, they wouldn't affect her laning phase stupendously. I think personally that they might have introduced a bug with him in the recent patch.
Galaxyburstz3 votes[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-22T19:06:03.502+0000)
Pls no more damage 😭
Sir Saltarin5 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Lucian/
Lucian still has a slightly advantage on the matchup, and he counters even more
So no, whatever the reason is why Lucian wr went down it's not what you say.
LordGeovanni1 votesEvery little bit of help will end up changing something. Just because he has the advantage play style wise doesnt mean that the buffs didnt cause close fights that he would have won before go the other way thus leading to a snowball for the other side. those champions got better no doubt that doesnt automatically mean that they counter him now.
Sir Saltarin1 votesYes and you are right, but since Caitlyn is my second most played champ trust me that I've been following her stats through the patches and her wr against Lucian hasn't changed at all, which makes sense because the R buff she got isn't relevant on majority of the games considering how easy to block it is.
Moody P4 votesHotfix buff him. Lucian is the fairest ADC in the game to play around
The Ecdysiast5 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-22T19:25:39.070+0000)
Hotfix buff him. Lucian is the fairest ADC in the game to play around
Well for one, he's a lane bully so that's not true, by design. It's not an even fight early because he's supposed to have the advantage early.
And you also aren't even responding to the thread.
Though the thing I think OP is missing is not only did two other options get buffs, but 
became possible to stack, and dematerializer got hit, which may have had an adverse effect on supports who play with him.
OtterlyLost1 votesI forgot that they changed Brawler's Glove. Maybe he really was just hit hard by crit ADCs getting better again then. I still wonder if they introduced a bug though.
The Ecdysiast1 votesI forgot that they changed Brawler's Glove. Maybe he really was just hit hard by crit ADCs getting better again then. I still wonder if they introduced a bug though.
Yeah. And that's on top of two ADC's who build crit being buffed.
OtterlyLost1 votesI think Xayah and Cait have less to do with it than the Brawler's Glove change, tbh. They're still pretty low on the totem; the Cait Buff wasn't major for one. The Xayah buff was honestly desperately needed though, especially considering she's not an easy ADC to play.
I think more than anything they helped champs like Jinx and Sivir who I see have shot up like rockets and who have passable laning phases due to their immense wave clear early on. Just look at their playrates/winrates right now.
Sir Saltarin8 votesMake him meta on Midlane again if he's so fair, and Toplane, give everyone the experience of fighting a fair overbuffed Lucian.
Moody P2 votesAbsolutely. Lucian is one of 2 ADCs that someone could even begin to make an argument for as healthy champions. I've always been a proponent of diverse lanes.
Sir Saltarin3 votesSo you would love to see for example Toplane filled wiht ADCs while Botlane is a mages fest ?
That would be diverse right.
Moody P3 votesWeird logic pathing tbh. Why is "diverse" meaning "dominated exclusively by one class"?
Terozu2 votesWhy is "filled with" meaning "dominated exclusively by one class"?
Mid is filled with mages, it's also filled with assassins.
Top is filled with fighters and tanks, more than just fighters and tanks go top.
Moody P2 votesMid lane is dominated by mages. (most) Assassins are troll picks.
That's not a good example of diversity
Terozu4 votes5/10 of the top mid laners are assassins.
Moody P1 votesIn soloQ. Doesn't really matter.
SweedishGunner3 votesI guess you haven't watched any LCS recently with LB being a staple pick and Zed seeing some play.
HP Crookshanks5 votesIn mid lane assassins (
) and fighters (
) are far more commonly picked/banned than mages (
) despite the fact that there are much more mid mages than mid assassins/fighters. Because some of them mostly played as supports ( ) and some of them never played at all ( ). How is mid lane is dominated by mages and how are assassins troll picks? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around based on statistics?
Moody P2 votesthere are more mages
You explained it yourself already
ZephyrDrake4 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-23T00:16:40.991+0000)
You explained it yourself already
Yeah, there are more mages... and most of them are barely picked or picked in other roles way more often. How is mid dominated by mages again? Mostly is assassins and fighters that are seen in mid. If anything mid lane is dominated by assassins and fighters with mages being an afterthought in most situations.
Emo Twink3 votesI feel like without proper ways to deal with mobile champs mid, that they'll struggle to come back unless they abuse something (Liss and AS, also naturally counters them so she'll always be good when theyre good), or have a kit that allows them to hold up against them (Zoe being slippery for a mage, and high range). Those or they get overbuffed/tuned better to work mid again (Morgana).
"get zhonyas or banshees xd" is not a good excuse cuz there is a considerable downtime on them.
HP Crookshanks3 votesHave you ever seen their pick rate?
Moody P3 votesSorry, my post wiped for some reason. There is a very large group of mages which means their player base tends to be split up; it makes sense that a smaller group (assassins) have a more concentrated player base, especially given that They have a more broad appeal in the fantasy to out play opponents.
Mages have legitimate problems like the utility subgroup being the de facto best choice ever since they traded the 1K AP build for more CDR but I would not call them as a class weak, since said mages are much stronger competitively than assassins with LB being the only exception
Does that explain it better?
3TWarrior1 votesso basically, you just said that there is no problem, only that instead there are not enough assassins in mid lane?
most of them already feel terrible to play against and they've used most of the conventional means of killing someone already. Pyke is the first assassin added in a while and what they ended up getting wrong about him was a mistake that had been made previously: free gold . Then you add to that a large amount of sustain...
assassins aren't troll picks anywhere outside of professional play...
Zed, leblanc, kassadin, akali, katarina, ekko, talon,
their pick rates come to 50.6% total worldwide
you literally see an assassin in half of games...the numbers show an interesting change as well
Assassin numbers go down in the US(only to 47.3%, but their win-rates start to get very high
1/9 diamond matches involves zed, zed has a 54% win rate and 30% ban rate
Fizz at 6% pick rate(above average pick rate of 3%) has a 54% win rate
Kassadin and Leblanc have been put through the ringer more than a few times and there are probably some external factors (like jungler and top picks) influencing them, 7.9 and 7.5 pick rates with 48.8% and 47.8% win rates currently
katarina 5.2% pick and 51.6% win (basically above average in both ways)
ekko 5.7 and 52%
akali is still recovering from riot's "problems" with balancing at 5.1% and 43%
Here's a fun one though, I wonder what has spiked Taliya's winrate up to 57% at 3% pick rate (average pick rate, extreme win rate for average )
SpaghettiVase1 votesOut of all those assassins, the only one who's really a "troll pick" is Akali. The rest are all completely fine and some are even meta picks in pro and solo q. If this never changes (which it probably never will,) we'll see mage supports until the end of league. Of course the boards will continue to complain about them without knowing the real issue.
Ahri Baka1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-03-22T20:45:55.988+0000)
Absolutely. Lucian is one of 2 ADCs that someone could even begin to make an argument for as healthy champions. I've always been a proponent of diverse lanes.
+1 Second is Jhin right?
Dynikus3 votesInaccurate 3rd party data is innacurate.
OtterlyLost2 votesI really think that they introduced a bug with him of some kind. Xayah and Cait getting buffed would affect him slightly but not that much. :/ I hope that they look into him because that's... really weird.
pureMJ2 votesTo be honest, 3% in a few days might just be noise. Everyone's winrate is natually fluctuating for like 1~2% each day.
Remember, zyra winrate dropped more than 5% instantly with the spellthief vs pet attack bug.
The thigh guy2 votesIt’s because other adcs are playable now. Lucien Draven and mf aren’t your only options anymore.
Sir Saltarin10 votesWhy MF when champs like Jinx have triple her pickrate and 2% more winrate than her lmao.
The thigh guy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItHYGsAE,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-22T20:31:07.230+0000)
Why MF when champs like Jinx have triple her pickrate and 2% more winrate than her lmao.
I mean before the crit revert. The only adcs that were playable at average play were Draven, Lucien mf and sometimes kai’sa
Z3Sleeper1 votesIt's been quite awhile since then. Jinx has been good ever since the revert, that's nothing new to this patch.
LordGeovanni2 votesother adcs got better. Instead of making lucian worse.
Jennifer4202 votesother adcs got buffed while its uncommon lucian mid/top indirectly got nerfed by the ryze (hehe xD) of riven and other bruisers. while being mobile and having a double onhit passive, its still an adc. it dies quicker than a ward vs a 2.5 attackspeed champ.
Rıots Bad Client2 votes
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Sir Saltarin1 votesShe was as strong as she is this patch on the last patch no doubt
Rıots Bad Client1 votesYup. But it took a while before people realise she was abusable.
Akali is SO HOT2 votesVayne has a good matchup against him and is also op and she is super popular rn. Maybe after a few more days of collecting data his winrate will go up again
ProfDrDeath1 votesThere's bound to be a bug in there somewhere. The winrate of a champion with Lucian's popularity does not fluctuate that much in a single patch. At least not if said patch does not contain direct changes or major indirect changes - and 9.6's Xayah/Cait/Brawler's/Dematerialiser changes do not seem impactful enough for a 3% winrate shift (again, on a very popular champion).
Daddy Ants1 votesChampion is finally in a balanced and acceptable state.
Z3Sleeper1 votesMost likely because the patch just came out. Give it another day or so. None of the changes (bar Cait + Xayah buffs) should really be affecting him in any way.
ORB1TS1 votesIs that balancing champions based on win rate is r%%%%%ed