I just got flamed for building tank on gnar when i lost lane

LittleBlast··54 votes·4,599 views

Like im so confused. If you loose lane building defense is the best idea!

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Ser Garland49 votes

Hell, if you're winning lane you should still build tank on Gnar Imo

LittleBlast2 votes

I do i never build any dmg on gnar untill i have 5 tank items and even then its iffy

IcyPepper15 votes

Thought most people built one damage item first then five tank items. o.O

TheKingDodo6 votes

how to build gnar: item 3153 item 3078 item 3031 item 3072 item 3142 item 3035 obviously.

BuyMeSkinsPls1 votes

So you're saying we should have one random Phage and an attack speed dagger?

Kay.

Meeks0111 votes

There's also AP Gnar mid. item 3115 item 3091 item 3089 and a few others.

zzman730511 votes

I usually get a item 3078 and then just tank the shit out of him

Jigglypuff1 votes

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Hell, if you're winning lane you should still build tank on Gnar Imo

I main gnar, but uhh this is my casual build when ahead... When I am against Irelia I usually rush sunfire though... so, sunfire>Brut>Omen

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1746202361/204189629?tab=overview

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

trinity is all you need besides that tankyness is your best friend

Troy24262131 votes

HOW DARE YOU. I expect you to go straight glass cannon and hard engage the enemy the second you get back to lane. It worked well the last 2 times, clearly it will work better this time.

MalzaharAnyLane8 votes

Most people think you set yourself even further back on gold by not forging ahead with damage against a foe who has been outplaying you. They expect your positioning to improve enough not to die to the enemy's gold lead, which usually isn't realistic by the time they have that 1 or 2k gold lead.

This argument is pretty dumb all around but is somewhat valid in solo queue, in that you will never get enough concentrated ganks to catch up both the money lost from losing lane AND the money lost from building tank stats, after having lost a lane since the enemy top laner will start roaming. In an actual 5v5 where the jungler is your friend, the jungler can tell the other lanes to play conservatively while he camps yours to deny the enemy laner farm.

It's a tough call, since in solo queue if you deviate from build paths for any reason you get spammed with reports.

KragusIII1 votes

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BakedLotion1 votes

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Sozan53 votes

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AND the money lost from building tank stats

This is just wrong. Money spent on tank stats is not a wasted money - especially if you play champion like Gnar, whose scalings are somewhat underwhelming (Mini-Q: 115%, Mega-Q: 120%, Mega-W: 100%, R: 20% Bonus AD (increses by half if you hit a wall)). Really, outside of his Mega-Q his abilities scale terrible (especially ultimate - you know how much Bonus AD you need in order to increase his ultimate damage by half? Exactly 1 000 bonus AD - Lee for comparison needs 150 bonus AD) and he even have 1 Health scaling ability which further increases the effectivness of tank stats on Gnar.

Also, important fact - having lower damage output but surviving long enough to deal it is better than having higher damage output but dying before you can deal it. You need to find a perfect balance here - and no, it doesn't mean that Tank stats are wasted, they are just as needed as offensive stats.

Yuki Akuma4 votes

But Gnar is a tank...

Spacesuit Spiff3 votes

People who are dumb enough to flame are dumb enough to point at anything and flame about it. I just got flamed for building tanky as jungle Reksai (Warriors and then 4 armor items), the enemy team was full AD and my team was Nami sup Liss top.

Seriously, if the kiddies get mad, they will rage about ANYTHING. Actual quote from one of them: "I bet your winrate is shit" (checks OPgg) "70% winrate? more like 70% suckrate nub!"

TheI3igDaddy3 votes

Then whoever flamed you is a dumbass, period.

He doesn't know how Gnar's supposed to function.

Tin Tarantino3 votes

I've gotten flamed for building sight stone on a mid laner, by the support, who wasn't warding

LittleBlast1 votes

Sightstone is core on my nidalee builds. Idk why people dont understand that wards can = kills

Tin Tarantino1 votes

I was playing Nidalee at the time too

AFK Push2 votes

The problem with the "build defensively when behind and offensively when ahead," isn't always the literal build tanky when behind and damage when ahead. Some champs like an ADC when behind should probably be building sustain such as item 3072 instead of rushing the even more expensive item 3031 when you need the sustain more then and now.

However, when talking about tanks and bruisers OP you would be correct and did the right thing. I can't count how many times I have seen a Nasus still try to rush his item 3078 when he is getting dumpstered in lane, and should really be building a item 3065 or item 3025 instead.

In short, building defensively is not just building tank items, but rather sustain or more cost efficient items when behind.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Especially weird since Gnar can build full tank when ahead and still do the most damage on his team.

warpenguin5552 votes

huh my plat friend told me to ALWAYS build Gnar tank.

LittleBlast1 votes

You should

warpenguin5551 votes

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You should

thats what i thought. i was taking a passive shot at the flamers

MarkedOfKane2 votes

Gnar is supposed to be built tank anyways.. lol

Umbral Light1 votes

What I do is that I try t start with some hybrid items for tanky and AD like Black Cleaver and Phage for later making Trinity Force since it's his go to item. But also a bit of AS with the Zephyr which also give movement speed. In my opinion Gnar is better going AD with some tankiness on the side.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

honestly hex if they have mostly ap champions then just straight tank. Bruta is only if your lane opponent has 0 kill pressure.

PoisonedPeace1 votes

I pretty much build full tank on gnarbage anyway, unless my team is really struggling, then I'll build botrk because it gives added peel against champs with no gap closers (oh wait....nobody plays those anymore)

Felixphaeton1 votes

You're supposed to build full tank on Gnar either way.

PatMcGroyn1 votes

Your teammates were potatoes, everybody builds tank on Gnar anyways. In solo Q, I prefer building a single damage item on him for bullying lane (normally Tri Force or BotRK), but tank is the way to go on Gnar.

Erockandroll1 votes

Don't quote me on this, this was based on LCS builds which may be less applicable in YoloQ.

Start with Dorans Blade. This gives you some sustain in the Earliest stages of the game. If your opponent is AP, get an Early Hex drinker. This should allow for better dueling against AP. But after that, you should focus tank stats. Gnar is the teams tank.

The problem I have with Gnar building offensive stats is that he requires too many things. Mini form is auto attack reliant, while his mega form is Ability reliant. You can't afford to build both AS and CDR.

Wydiwyg1 votes

Well, there's item 3142 , an item for pretty much all your offensive needs. AD, armor pen, crit chance & CDR as well as an AS/MS active with good build paths. AS and MS being actives also helps building up Gnar's rage on demand.

Whenever I want something offensive with Gnar, I usually pick that one up. But then again, I'm not an LCS player.

Totalis1 votes

you're right, my only advice is get out of bronze. people will be stupid until you get to silver II

Vicarious1171 votes

Correction, they will be stupid all the way through Plat III..... and occasionally into diamond as well lol

Thefriendlyorc1 votes

Actually I like building tank on him anyway. Allows for better engages and his natural damage numbers are high. Offense masteries/runes and defense items.

CoolKnightST1 votes

It's like you go full AD Sion. You might win the early game but you still will lose that game. The only argument to place more damage on Gnar is this:

  • Early Bully: item 3022 rush
  • Snowball: item 3078 rush (only when your really really far ahead)
  • Lategame Power Spike: item 3156 (vs heavy MR)
  • Lategame Power Spike: item 3071 (vs or with heavy AD)

Both of these 4 items are heavy situational. I rarely see someone go a different item besides these 4. Whe could agrue whe still have item 3153 but that one is so situation I don't even think it's worth mentioning. Full tank just makes him more usefull overal

Foxichu1 votes

Gamechat is terrible, don't we know that by now?

junglerboy161 votes

—especially when playing a tanky bruiser... Some people are just clueless.

RuGu1 votes

You probably would have been flamed either way. Flamers gonna flame after all.

youngjake931 votes

I've seen people literally AFK because Fizz went AD top or Thresh bought Ancient Coin.

I have no idea what to even do about that. People will go 0-10 in mid lane and say GG noob Jax built Randuin's, that's why we lost. I guess just ignore them.

Only Play Darius2 votes

These are the same people who keep saving up for deathcap after they have given Annie 2 kills in 5 minutes, and keep trying to outdamage her, thinking that somehow they have a chance of beating her through "Big Plays" etc.

As a jungle main few things infuriate me more than people who feed faster than I can gank. Then they cry that the enemy is killing them under their own turret with ease, let's see you fed them 5 kills in under ten minutes and you still haven't bought a single defensive, what the f*ck did you think was going to happen?

As a rule of thumb I start building defense the moment I give up first blood, I really wish my teammates did this as well.

youngjake931 votes

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These are the same people who keep saving up for deathcap after they have given Annie 2 kills in 5 minutes, and keep trying to outdamage her, thinking that somehow they have a chance of beating her through "Big Plays" etc.

As a jungle main few things infuriate me more than people who feed faster than I can gank. Then they cry that the enemy is killing them under their own turret with ease, let's see you fed them 5 kills in under ten minutes and you still haven't bought a single defensive, what the f*ck did you think was going to happen?

As a rule of thumb I start building defense the moment I give up first blood, I really wish my teammates did this as well.

I mean to be fair, I have been there against Pantheon, Heimerdinger and Riven top where you just barely misjudge/misplay an early all-in, then they zone you off of every single CS regardles of what you build. They whittle your health down while you hug tower and your jungler ignores your lane because "lol feeder" then they dive you. You become down 40 cs and 2 kills within 5 minutes, try to farm the jungle so you don't die under your tower again and the jungler comes over to smite the camp and flame you.

You then have basically two options, try to stay in your lane and be forced to feed or AFK in the river until another lane overextends. Both are likely to get you flamed.

I've also been on the other side where I am up 80 CS and 4 kills extremely early as their entire team flames their laner. And I'm just like... he built tank and I would deal 100% of his health bar while he tried to CS under tower with no jungler help. Why are you flaming him?

CollectiveFury1 votes

The standard fighter build lately is Tri Force/BorK/the rest are tank items like Randuins/Banshee's Veil. It doesn't pay off these days to skip tri force or BorK due to how cost-inneficient tank items are by themselves.

Kairya1 votes

While this is not helpful to solve your problem: If you are being flamed, that just means someone is feeling very passionatly about you. Better than indifference, isn't it? :P

In general you should know already that people like to flame for no reason at all. It distractes from their own mistakes, because they are obviously faultless.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

so you didnt build tank when you won the lane ?

oh boy i cri everytim

LittleBlast1 votes

Oh no i still build full tank :P

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