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Autofill has actually increased que times.

WorksAtAGayBar··136 votes·4,727 views

With the amount of dodges I see now, autofill has actually made me wait longer before actually getting into a game. Now I don't mind playing a role I'm not used to once in a while, but I know a lot of people do, so they end up dodging. This has led to 3, 4, I've even had 7 dodges in a row! If we were still using the old system, I probably would have played many more games since I didn't have to waste my team picking and banning and then end up having the match canceled.

This isn't a "QQ get rid of autofill" thread, like I said I don't mind playing a role I don't normally play once in a while, but if you are using "shorter que times" as a reason to implement it, then you are clearly mistaken Riot.

P.s. this is for the dodgers: why do you wait till like the last second to dodge, -.-)/ like once you see you don't like your team, just dodge, don't wait till it says pick your load out and when we have 5 seconds to get into the actual game.

59 Comments

EndlessSorcerer49 votes

why do you wait till like the last second to dodge

They are probably hoping that someone else will dodge and they can avoid the time penalty.

It's like a game of chicken.

Votable Jester5 votes

I think that's it. Those few times I've dodged (like single digit number in several years I think), I have hoped that someone else would dodge first.

Ironically, because dodges happen so often, it incentivizes people to wait to the last second because it's more likely for someone else to dodge before them now.

Dreadlocks3 votes

this exactly ^

TequilaZombie7 votes

I've dodged at the last 10 seconds yesterday. Never thought I'd do that without having a champ select troll.

I picked Mid and Jungle. Got Jungle, someone dodged. Got Mid, someone dodged. Got Jungle Again, someone dodged. Got Bot, someone dodged. Got top, someone dodged. Got Mid, someone dodged. Got support, nobody dodged, so I did.

I refuse to stay about 15 minutes waiting for a game to play my least prefered role. Specially since in the first tries I actually got mine in about 2 minutes. Auto-fill is out of control.

IMO if we keep dodging Riot will eventually notice how much champ select dodges have increased and will change things.

Spoofghoul2 votes

Yea that or you get into game with

summoner 11 summoner 6 Garen support or something

Which he clearly did because he wanted someone else to dodge but nobody chickened out

That or people don't and you end up with a toplaner so bad hes pretty much borderline inting over there

So even after 3 dodged games after 5 minutes in champ select and 10 minutes waiting which amounts to like almost half an our ¬.¬

You end up with such a piss poor game quality which is nothing but annoying and aggravating and one sided so one team surrenders at 20 minutes or just goes open mid

I never really understood autofill since it forces someone to play a game they don't want to play and Riot seriously thinks people will go along with that and play happy and have fun, really . . . Ofc they wont and if they do it ends in a steaming pile of shit anyway since they suck at the role they were forced to play

It's such a dumb system it just blows my mind.

Flyinguillotine4 votes

I've been seeing more and more people trolling in lobbies to try and get other people to dodge. Riot has actually incentivized activities like banning someone's champion.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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They are probably hoping that someone else will dodge and they can avoid the time penalty.

It's like a game of chicken.

Literally this. Except it's been like this since forever (just not this bad).

EchoZeero19 votes

I get about 5 dodges per full game, losing about 20 mins each time. Autofill is not working as intended and is actually making queues longer because of chain dodging.

WorksAtAGayBar2 votes

I was maybe hoping they increased the dodging penalty or something.

Elikain1 votes

Yea, no. Autofill is designed to shorten the wait times for roles that are least playable at the time of you queuing up and that is done by allocating certain players to those roles. Unless you believe that dodging exclusively happens because of Autofill and not because someone might not like the entire team or has to go in that right moment, assumptions that it's all Autofill's fault are unfounded at best.

EchoZeero6 votes

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Yea, no. Autofill is designed to shorten the wait times for roles that are least playable at the time of you queuing up and that is done by allocating certain players to those roles. Unless you believe that dodging exclusively happens because of Autofill and not because someone might not like the entire team or has to go in that right moment, assumptions that it's all Autofill's fault are unfounded at best.

Before the autofill bullshit, I would get a dodge about every 5-6 games I would play. Since autofill has been implemented, I get 5-6 dodges for each game I get to play. There is a direct correlation between autofill and players dodging roles they don't want to play. Thus the feature does not serve its purpose and instead makes queues even worse.

Godhri13 votes

I definitely saw this yesterday. There has definitely been an increase in dodges in my experience. I thought the old system was fine as it is. People keep whining that they don't get the roles they want, but honestly, there is no realistic practical way of making that possible. There is also no realistic way of making those air heads understand this either hence the dodges.

Pantheon Forever1 votes

Team builder solved this, was scrapped for current system. I dodge all the time making everyone wait instead of waiting for the lane/champion I want alone. Team builder allowed differing strategies and was superior to dynamic queue. I regularly dodge 5+ games to get into a match. I regularly get my desired roll and others dodge until I get auto filled and dodge.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

Yes, Teambuilder where there were no bans, mirror matches, not knowing what you were to play against for the purposes of runes/masteries, no counterpicks.

AKA the things that don't make a competitive game.

Pantheon Forever1 votes

All of that could be solved for bronze-diamond with 2 minor tweaks. First thing would be to add a banning phase in lobby, each player could insert a champion they don't want to be matched against with the cost of a more complex algorithm for matchmaking to accommodate bans and enemy choices. Second would be to have an additional phase where teams can adjust runes/masteries after an enemy team is found but before it loads.

HazyCloud79 votes

Can't blame them, its even enabled in normals for crying out loud. Why would someone want to spend 20-50 mins playing a role they don't like?

420 Stylish7 votes

If I get autofilled to support I'm just leaving. Simple as that. Sorry, but I get absolutely no enjoyment out of supporting. I'd rather leave then make my team and myself suffer because of my horrible supporting and the simple fact that I don't get enjoyment out of it.

theArtifacts3 votes

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If I get autofilled to support I'm just leaving. Simple as that. Sorry, but I get absolutely no enjoyment out of supporting. I'd rather leave then make my team and myself suffer because of my horrible supporting and the simple fact that I don't get enjoyment out of it.

Or you could learn how to support, bite the bullet for ONE game, and make the game and community better for everyone.

Maximum Morde6 votes

Hasn't been my experience. Dodge has always been this common.

Zero Skill Tank5 votes

Came here to say this. Dodge streaks happened well before autofill.

And even if this was the case, autofill reduced queue times from like 10 to 2 minutes. Occasional dodge streaks would be well worth it.

S H A Y C 010 votes

by occasional do you mean "quite frequent" or "repeated" perhaps "for days...?"

WorksAtAGayBar9 votes

lol they definitely did not happen this frequently I don't know what you're talking about. and rarely did I ever had 10 minutes ques. when I hit 6 minutes in a que (which again rarely happened) I would just reque for it.

S H A Y C 06 votes

so many penta-dodges....

Papa Andrei5 votes

Had 8 game dodges, all of them I was put into mid lane. 9th Game? Support.

WorksAtAGayBar2 votes

UGH I hate when all the games you get your main role get dodged but the game that goes through is when you get put a role you don't want.

Spice POWAH6 votes

I main support and my games are taking more than one second to queue up. This is truly, truly, truly outrageous.

VasilisGreen6 votes

Personaly, i dodge at the last second because maybe someone els might dodge before me and i don't have to wait a timer out. :P

Sraeg20134 votes

Can't blame them.

I just got support 4 times in a row.

Bullshit like that wasn't happening even with pick order around.

WorksAtAGayBar1 votes

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Can't blame them.

I just got support 4 times in a row.

Bullshit like that wasn't happening even with pick order around.

that's not possible from autofill, you get autofill protected for like 3? games when you play support. I'm not sure the actual amount but you do get protected from autofill for a bit.

azrolator4 votes

My brother told me about autofill protect. But after my game as support it gave me support again. I don't think it works.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Especially in norms. It's casual man, not playing try-hard. Wanna play what I wanna play. Not waste 20+ minutes playing what I don't want.

MonkeyMadness4 votes

Please stop blaming Riot for a problem that the community itself is causing. That just makes everything worse. Perhaps accept the fact that Riot wants people to be good at the GAME and not just their 2 or 3 champs.

Rockm Sockm8 votes

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Please stop blaming Riot for a problem that the community itself is causing. That just makes everything worse. Perhaps accept the fact that Riot wants people to be good at the GAME and not just their 2 or 3 champs.

It was riots stupid idea and horrible coding.

Auto fill protection does not work.

Que times gold and below were fine.

The boosted dynamic que mmr transfering to SoloQ was already a train wreck. Now every single game your garunteed a noob or a troll because they dont know their role or don't care.

It defies the entire point of choose your two roles they touted.

They continue to shove shit down our throats because of challenger teir adjustments.

Jesus is Savior3 votes

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P.s. this is for the dodgers: why do you wait till like the last second to dodge, -.-)/ like once you see you don't like your team, just dodge, don't wait till it says pick your load out and when we have 5 seconds to get into the actual game.

Someone else might dodge before I do, saving my LP.

This is literally the only reason.

Jonxx3 votes

Lol, knowing Riot they'll likelier just increase dodge penalties than do something about autofill. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Flyinguillotine3 votes

The other day I went through 12 lobbies before I found a game. My record before autofill was 5.

FakeGravity2 votes

being a support main i feel like ivern feels about krugs now being harder...

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

It's actually been around a year since I've dodged. Dodged a game awhile ago just because i got autofilled.

I literally only play tanks and only play top and jungle... I can't do anything but that... rito plz.

rtbf2256182412 votes

Wait. Aren't you the Ezreal player who duod with the Taric?

His name should be "OwnsTheGayBar" or something like that ._.

Teh Song2 votes

Thus is why they should bring back team-builder.

Honestly sometimes I think they should remove all forms of role selection and force everyone to queue into every game with an equal chance for every role until everyone gives up and sets themselves up to play everything.

Hey calm down guys I said almost.

Nogrim2 votes

the problem isn't the queue system, its that everyone fucking hates playing support so who ever ends up shafted with it will dodge.

make support a role that people want to play and the reasons for these dodges vanishes almost entirely.

OggyPanda1 votes

This.

I dodge everytime I get autofilled as support - I find support to be the most boring part of this game.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

They need a way to allow people to play support without always playing support.

For example, adding "random" in addition to fill (even if random is slightly weighted to be more support).

AuraCreed2 votes

Do you mean Fill as it currently is?

Not to mention I've been queuing for support and have been getting filled into different roles period. It's strange to expect support and receive mid-lane twice.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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Do you mean Fill as it currently is?

Not to mention I've been queuing for support and have been getting filled into different roles period. It's strange to expect support and receive mid-lane twice.

In my experience, fill strongly prioritizes what the system needs, over giving you a range of outcomes. In ranked, that means fill is almost always support. In norms, there's less of a support shortage, that I can tell.

Saianna1 votes

This has led to 3, 4, I've even had 7 dodges in a row!

Normal day for any ARAM player...

Elewd1 votes

nah thats on a good day.

KronosFromDotA1 votes

I can accept a long queue time, sure 15min is a long wait, sometimes even longer queue times depending on the number of dodges, but i lose all my will to play when i see: 2 siver borders 1 gold border 1 platinum border (usually me) and 1 diamond border

Sometimes a master tier or a lvl +20 player, or sometimes both in different teams! I don't mind long queue or playing support, but give me some equal teammates and opponents. That's all.

If you wanna see my profile, Feedar com gosto, i play in the BR servers

Amanugal1 votes

i Got the same experince on EUNE servers! Huge increase in dodged games. I would rather wait 10 minutes to get one of my preffered roles and everyone else to get theirs because sometimes we wait more on ppl dodging

kinkykong1 votes

Best part about it is riot doesn't have the balls as a company to address any of the issues and tries to gloss over all the shitty parts of their game that the community is constantly asking them to fix. They say they want to create a less toxic community but don't do anything to try and fix the parts of the game that make it toxic and add shit like this that makes everything worse. Then when we ask for for something that would help like replays and sandbox they say nah that'll make the game worse. It makes no sense. Sack up as a company for fucks sake

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