I take issue with riven's e

biomaster··2 votes·811 views

I realize that this is gonna be taken as a QQ whine post, and honestly it might be but ive played a few games against riven latley and im becoming incredibly agitated with how it goes in lane, specifically because of her e.

I get it mobility scales well with skill and riot should reward skilled players but it just insane with her, one riven i played got bloodthirsters, we never broke her shield(she also got 2 pentas that game) and thats the issue with e, that sheild is just to strong early lvls, they should make it if she wants that much coverage it she should have to max it first.

It just gives her easy snowball the same with akali's shrowd only you cant buy a pink to stop riven, for instance this riven is extremly low , like one more auto attack low, im chasing her at FULL HEALTH she goes into brush i follow then WAM she e,s into me knockes me up stuns and finishes me off with ignite aa and winion dmg, again i was FULL HEALTH and it was before lvl 6, and thats the issue, it isnt a one time thing now its even EASIER for her to pull that kinda thing off cause she has more lvls and farm, shes just to hard to beat on equal footing and it leaves me aggravated because then i lterally am better off trying to counter jungle then going back in lane.

it really is just about numbers lessen the sheild so she cant tank burst as if shes building tank but make it so its meaningful for an engage on a CLOSE fight not one that would be blatanly obvius without it or lessen that ad ratio it is that scenario that riot siad atmas impaler was unhealthy because it gave to much offense with defense.

p.s. ik this its kinda different because shen's dash is longer and has taunt but he is primarily tank and he has a dash and sheild on 2 diff abilities, rivens primary role is not tank yet she gets it 2 in 1 with just a slight water down on the dash and a STRONGER sheild (it has 10 points less then shens at max lvl but scale 100% with ad while shen only scales 60%ap)

11 Comments

Cale0173 votes

Ha. You should have seen her a year ago before they nerfed said shield you're complaining about. It was glorious.

biomaster1 votes

i don't even want to know what monstracity she was before, but rito, you still have more work to do on that e

Cale0172 votes

Nah. Her E is fine the way it was. It used to block more damage and last for longer, stop and imagine that for a minute. And her Q? It used to deal about twice as much damage or so.

Riven is a very heavy snowball champion. If she gets an early lead, she's more than likely going to keep it unless your team starts playing really well. But she's still vulnerable to quite a lot. Missing her Qs is easy to do if she's not being careful, and misting her shield can completely ruin her in a fight.

My advice? If you're about to fight a Riven, bring a heavy tank with a lot of CC, or someone incredibly mobile. Try and bait out her ult, most RIvens will pop it just before they rush you, and when she does just keep your distance until it ends. If you can make her use the dash on her shield to get close to you to try and land her combo, make her pay for it by running out the timer on the shield and attacking her afterwards. IF she's going to commit to turret diving you, stand on the backside of your turret. That way she can't Q or E in a straight line out. You might still get killed, but so will she.

Beating Riven is all about punishing her when she puts herself in a bad spot, and using her cooldowns against her. I used to main her back when I was a top main before I switched to the jungle. Even managed to make her work in the jungle on more than one occasion haha. I know how terrifying it can be to see that 14/3 Riven coming towards you, but if she's gotten THAT fed, your team probably should have done something a bit sooner to slow her roll.

360D3GR3SS2 votes

Reduce duration to 1 second.

biomaster1 votes

honestly that wouldn't be to bad but i still cringe since im an assasin top lane she would still eat my burst and have me for desert.

CreationFlaw2 votes

Don't play Assassins top lane unless you're expecting a hard matchup. There's very few champions that a Zed/Yasuo could win against consistently unless the opponent was a bad player

Killer X 121 votes

I agree with the hard match ups. You shouldn't be winning against most competent top laners with an assassin. There is a reason you play them in mid against the squish.

ZenithEevee1 votes

Um? just so you know, She falls off pretty easily to hard CC, which is something assassins lack. also, reminder, Riven is listed as a fighter/assassin, so yeah, She will have CC and an escape, should top decide to not go akali for the R ability. also, just a reminder, This is supposedly one of Rivens weaker times of her time as a champ, so when you complain, remember, she has been nerfed, and i think riot is just really touchy on Rivens standpoint, as if she had another nerf, she could be at the unplayable zone, and probably would end up getting the Sion treatment.

biomaster1 votes

and my issue isnt with the cc or escape, its the sheild, i cant think of another assasin that comes with a sheild, and most fighters don come withone either. dont nerf her mobility just the sheild that gives to much offense and defense for the small price that you cant back out with it now (but she probably will have her q for that)

Stephenizgod1 votes

Actually i agree with you, i was Darius top against Riven in my last game. I was lagging pretty bad, the kind where everything you do comes a little after you hit the button, so i was already pretty agitated. I was cursing and swearing all game, but there is one thing that i noticed with a calm mind. With the ability at level 1 Rivens shield kept blocking approximately 98% (it would destroy the shield but the damage she took was almost not visible) of my Q's damage with the 50% extra bonus (without the bonus i didnt even crack the shield). This actually kept up all game, whenever i could hit her with a damn Q, she would E and block it (even though i would Q first, another thing i was raging about).

Lets say both Darius and Riven have 100 AD we were not equal AD in actuality but for simplicity sake lets say we were Riven's E at level 1 blocks 90(+100% of her AD), so her shield blocked 190 damage.

Darius' Q at level 1 with the bonus deals 105(+105% of his AD) so it should deal 210 damage (idk if my math is wrong?) but there is also Darius' passive so tack on another 42 damage (12(+30% of his AD) over 5 seconds).

So after 5 seconds my Q will have done 252 damage, which means she basically took 62 damage (not counting armor and MR). Sounds good right? Well wrong... this is where i was getting frustrated...

keep in mind we are the same level
From levels 2-7 her E is level 1 so lets say we are both level 7.

At level 7 my Q was level 4 so it deals 262.5(+105% of his AD) so it should deal 367.5 + 60 from passive (at level 7 it does 30(+30% of his AD)) so 427.5 damage. Riven takes 237.5, or she is suppose to.

Even if riven had 200 AD at level 7 (which she didnt, i believe she had brutilizer and cloth armor) Her shield would only block 290, leaving 137.5 damage. Even with her Armor that should have been a noticeable amount of damage, so why wasnt it? Why could her level 1 shield take all my damage?

So idk if its a bug or Rivens shield blocks more then it says but its a little ridiculous for it to be able to block Darius' Q with the bonus. It shouldnt block it without the bonus either! Darius uses Mana, Riven doesnt, the fact her move can more then cancel out his + close the gap without having to waste her first Q + it activates her passive all at level 1 against a level 4 ability on equally leveled opponents means that Riots whole "Mana champions are stronger then Manaless champions" is false. At all levels of play Rivens shield can block Darius' Q and that is complete BS.

Nerf Riven? NO! (well maybe the E's base shield...) Buff Darius... before people freak out, i dont mean just up his damage, there are other ways to buff him that will help him top lane.

CreationFlaw1 votes

Darius is already toxic and has no counter play in lane half the time, either get stomped or wreck, there is no in between. He needs a change, not just a buff.

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