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Why I feel warwick has been sullied

biomaster··4 votes·1,293 views

HI, as somone who has been playing for little longer than a year it hasn't been long since i played that first game as warwick, i didnt even take smite that game, but a managed somehow, but alas now i look upon my old comrade and feel a pang of sorrow.

Warwick along with alot of other junglers were crowded out by the strongest and most popular picks, so i only very rarely ran into other ww when i mained him season 3 and early season 4, (started shifting towards shaco) and i didnt mind, but a part of me wished he could be popular, after all i think every champion wishes they could be as popular as draaaven. Come patch 4.20 and i got what i wished for, and i hated it, he was either banned or insta picked and the few games i did get as him during patch 4.20 i didnt notice a difference in his performance (granted i didnt build skirmishers sabre) and then after that came the nerfs, honestly speaking riots trying as hard as they can not hurt him but it feels painful for me, im sure i can still play as him but i honestly hate this scenario.

Yeah the win ratio was high and he was broken during patch 4.20 but I argue that that was more due to that skirmishers mechanic going awry then ww himself, i mean his whole thing was having good sustain and the only moment it actually mattered more then early ganking they had to nerf it so now I and the people that played him prior patch 4.20 are left with the mangled body of the wolf after the masses had their turn with him weaker and once again obscure.

TL,DR- Warwick is like someone who was broke for the longest time and only has a few close freinds, then he wins the lottery and everyone loves him, but after all his dough is blown he is left discarded in an alley alone and worse off then before, yes he was broken but cmon, i cant beleve with all their new "levers" they couldn't come up with anything better then number nerfs.

i try to reply to every comment, so feel free to try and start a discusion.

28 Comments

Done255 votes

They really didn't need to kick him as hard as they did. :( That W duration nerf HURT his long term dps.

biomaster2 votes

i hear you, reading it on the patch notes i didnt think much of it, but that next game the first time i cast w i felt crest fallen

AtheosisX2 votes

He's still pretty decent actually. Not top tier anymore, but certainly not bad.

biomaster4 votes

yeah but my issue is basically everyone that didnt play him before patch 4.20 started spamming him which caused complaint. WW never received any buffs, he received inderect ones from 4.20 but that was still the same ww we played before, but the communty basically played him just for the sake of his OPness instead of more meaninful things like enjoying the champion concept or his lore before or after it changed, and now those guys are just playing the new top tier pick while guys like us are left with the backlash, and thats kinda the lesson i learned here, anything that becomes top teir is often nerfed to kingdom come, unless theres a large enough outcry not to, like with lee sin.

AtheosisX3 votes

They over-nerfed him, no doubt about it (when you consider the nerfs to his items and himself it was absolutely overkill), but in the end there's not much you can do other than adapt or change champs. Personally I still think he offers enough to a team to be a solid pick. I mean he has great sustain which is good in the new jungle, his ult is a guaranteed kill if your teammates have decent damage to back it up, and he can solo dragon fairly early.

biomaster1 votes

yeah i agree ww can still work but as ive said before i simply disagree with how they handled the situation, and hey discontent like this has changed things before, im actually holding some hope for the next patch.

AtheosisX1 votes

I doubt anything will happen in the next patch. Truthfully I doubt anything ever happens. Riot has a track record of nerfing champs who are considered in need of a rework to a point where they are not top tier, and that's the way they leave them until the rework is put out. Just be glad he was only nerfed to a point where he is only a bit short of top tier rather than being nerfed down to Urgot tier.

biomaster1 votes

What are you talking about? They planned a rework for shaco for over a year now and he is perfectly viable (my denial is real QQ)

AtheosisX1 votes

Warwick is stronger in the jungle than Shaco even after the recent nerfs, so just contemplate that for a moment. Now honestly ask yourself do you think they will buff Warwick before the rework is released?

Bears Dont Care1 votes

{quoted}

Warwick is stronger in the jungle than Shaco even after the recent nerfs, so just contemplate that for a moment.

Yes I am contemplating...how many times you were dropped as an infant.

AtheosisX1 votes

Quality post.

biomaster1 votes

well honestly speaking until that comment every other post was of rather high quality (as for annoth 84) altough that was rude i still have some respect for a man/woman that defends shaco (even if that does mean your hating on ww QQ) PS the boxes getting really small now

Strzyga2 votes

To be fair I think this is justified as he is getting a rework soon and was pretty crazy before he became fotm in patch4.2. Hell in s4 due to his lifesteal and bortk he could single handedly 1v3 under enemy turret with minion wave aggro.

biomaster1 votes

id argue thats more situational as in (one good game) and that plenty of other champs could do that like darius, riven, nasus, or lee sin.

More importantly there are plans for a WW rework? id love some info on that.

Strzyga2 votes

{quoted}

id argue thats more situational as in (one good game) and that plenty of other champs could do that like darius, riven, nasus, or lee sin.

More importantly there are plans for a WW rework? id love some info on that. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27965-updated-warwicks-rework-full-kit-preview here is what riot proposed earlier 2014, they said it wasnt in production yet, but hoped to release late 2014/early 2015

biomaster1 votes

THAT IS AMAZING that e is especially cool thanks for the link

Only Play Nid2 votes

Here´s the thing though, other jungles cannot abuse that item as hard as he can and no one even came close to being able to 100-0 people with it. If there´s 50 champions (not actual number but it´s an example) that are fine with an item, and 1 that isn´t, it is a problem with the 1 champ. The issue was that warwicks ultimate in tandem with the auto procs was WAY too strong with no counter play. However, I feel like just making that specific item not do as much dmg during his ult would have been better than just saying OH. NERF EVERYTHING.

biomaster1 votes

^ thats what im saying man/girlfreind, if they had just nerfed him id find it easier to accept but they did nerf the item anyways so clearly there was an issue with it on more then just ww and just because he showd the greatest problems with it that led to players to believe it was more because of him then the item (granted sometimes he can be overwhelming)

SEKAI1 votes

WW doesn't need smite since day 1 (except for securing), as long as he has blue at his disposal he can jungle all day without using pots (except prob at second camp of the early game) and stay at max hp.

He is a old design that flows well with time, BotRK works well with him, but he stayed as a niche pick until item 3160 was introduced, which he was broken that time. Then after the removal of FF, Riot introduces item 3710 item 3718 item 3722 item 3726 so yer.

His kit revolves around proc'ing stuff on his auto, he has AS boost, heal on auto, magic damage per auto, extra MS and instant suppress that procs auto effect. No matter what they do, AA jungle items will just be broken on him no matter what, when combined with say BotRK.

So imo, either completely redefine AA jungle items or just rework/nerf WW to be more manageable, we know what route we would take between these 2 choices.

He is still decent, and really that's already good enough, you don't want to play a broken/top tier champ to win anyway.

biomaster2 votes

your right i and alot of people didnt play him because he was top their, i personally played him due to how godly he felt clearing camps, literally like king of the jungle, of course that was never the case until the new jungle but it felt good to play him, now the high i felt clearing camps with only aa and his W is a fraction of his time and his ult cd is longer and weaker, making that wait till lvl 6 to gank feel even less rewarding.

I actually didnt really think about it but agree with you when you say he works around aa effects, but i think how much aa effects are to much. Like wouldn't ww being broken with skirmishers really just be a sign of it being broken with any champ building attack speed, for example udyr probably was just as abusive with it but i dont recall any nerfs to him, and they even nerfed the sabre and the purple augmentation on jungle items anyways so i think that alone wouldve solved the problem, and that number nerfs altough not overly great really werent needed

SEKAI2 votes

WW was never gank focused, he can only really gank after 6, he is a farm jungler who also specialises in dueling which in other words, counter jungling.

His early dueling potential is prob one of the highest, barring the inhuman monsters like Lee, Udyr and prob Trundle in terms of early spike.

His ulti can turn the table in teamfight, his clear is very solid, E gives him solid chases, escape (when there is a low hp target around you, ie, fleeing from duel for example) and jungle presence, his Q and W just works fine in general purposes.

I wouldn't say he is done and gone, he is still a decent pick imo, but ofc we need a bit more time to judge whether he is truly useless or not at this point but I would say he is not without his time to shine just not straight out broken with like released FF.

Try counter jg with him, there are jg itmes for that too maybe you will come out successful with him idk.

GL.

biomaster1 votes

interesting i personaly never really tried invading beyond that first buff camp mostly because he cant out right burst you it takes time to 1v1 them and in that time usually one of the laners comes to help the enemy.

SEKAI1 votes

Counter jg'ing is kinda tricky to pull off, since you need to watch the map often and think about the enemy jg'er's ability and route etc, I have only done so with Trundle.

But WW can do it, he can't burst people instantly true, but it isn't long either if he has blue and successfully stolen red when the enemy jg'er is trying to get it for example, or get a red buff on your own and wait enemy jg'er doing other stuff else where.

Even if you don't score a kill on the enemy jg, you can for the most part forces his flash out (due to your E), except the pesky Lee, causing the jg'er to lose escape and cs since he has to return base. And enemy team will be more afraid walking inside their own jg too so it's always a plus if you don't die in the enemy jungle.

You can gank lanes freely after reaching 6.

Needa more practice.

biomaster1 votes

thanks ill actually probably tinker around with it in some normals, always love it when a get some new ideas of what to do with a champ i play, kinda refreshes the whole experience for me.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

They nerfed his AS steroid (god knows why his clear is shitty anyway). Nerfed the base damage of his ult (cause why not?) Nerfed his items (only thing right they did).

Riot is not a company that cares about balance.

biomaster1 votes

now thats is exactly what happened, i just argue its more riot had to do it to appease the masses so its more their fault then theirs but i still generally agree.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Good riddance. He was overbearing before FF/Dev too. Immoveable bricks than literally outheal your damage unless you are a hypercarry are unfun to play against. I hope they rework him to get rid of that quality too. Losing to a champ doesn't bother me. Losing to a champ without any possibility of counterplay is what bothers me.

biomaster1 votes

out of the current 120 champions i highly doubt ww comes into the top 10 champions that have no counter play, he has no gap closer aside from ult (and possibly his passive E but thats situational) and any kind of cc screws him over stun and knock up especially since if he aint hitting he aint healing plus pretty easy to kite ww

it just kinda bugs me where champions without much counter play that are top teir for entire seasons dont get touched a whole lot and get so much defense in their favor but a champ thats top teir for 1 patch gets nerfed immediatley (not saying he wasnt broken, he was, but guys like nasus, lee sin, and riven who are far more scarier number wise then ww are alowed to go along even tough ive yet to see any counterplay for them besides hugging to towers and praying to your gods/deities/loved ones.

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