Lee favoritism is crystal clear now

Lord Macaroni·Feb 6, 2015·10 votes·1,385 views

After seeing so many from Riot viciously defend that Lee is so fun and balanced, I'm convinced he will never receive any meaningful nerfs (LC$). I sure bet ward hopping felt bad to Lee players, because god forbid lee can't have insane mobility, map presence, and safety in the jungle, and still have extremely reliable gank potential, still can jump to allies/minions AS INTENDED, Q away onto a jungle creep or minion, or kick someone away that's chasing him.

No, let's keep ward hopping because having Lee in his current state is clearly satisfying to play against when he's the one who dictates the entire interaction. Let's keep Lee's counterjungle potential and safety extremely high so he can "outplay" you in your own jungle while he is back in his own jungle in 2 seconds.

15 Comments

SEKAIFeb 6, 201510 votes

Tbh never mind his spammy Q and epic damage, never mind his spammy E and slows.

Lee should **NOT **have random high spell vamp + lifesteal that comes from no where, especially when his damage is that high.
Lee should **NOT **have a kit that is twice as big, with a resource as an excuse to give him low cd, only to ALSO give him nearly no resource management.
Lee should **NOT **be able to "safeguard" a ward.
Lee should **NOT **have an OP ulti with no cost, low cd, insane scaling, single target, knockback AND up that TRAVELS.
Lee should **NOT **have been dominating the game for 3 years straight without receiving any kind of nerf bat straight onto his face.
Lee should **NOT **be the center of Jungle scene balance nor should everybody else receives a nerf with him just because Riot is thinking about giving him one, that's meaningless it might as well not be there.

Finally

Lee should NOT have no risk in his kit whatsoever.*

2000boxesFeb 6, 20154 votes

i think lee sin is fine and i love seeing the interesting ways players play him when i am against him I don't play lee sin that much my most played champions are amumu, thresh and zed

l Main RenektonFeb 6, 20153 votes

Winrates dictate that when he's played, he doesn't win every game.

He isn't even on the toplist of top champion winrates - I think you're just salty that you lost to one, when many other junglers fall into the strong class that he does - Jarvan and Rek'Sai are EXTREMELY strong picks now that can have a greater impact than Lee Sin can.

SEKAIFeb 6, 20155 votes

Win rate is not the only deciding factor.

Why was LB nerfed with her 45% win rate back then?

Envy SinFeb 6, 20157 votes

People like you amuse me. "But lee only has a 45% win rate D: He's worse then every other jungler." Tell me then: WHY DO PROS STILL PLAY HIM REGULARLY?

2000boxesFeb 6, 20152 votes

Pro's play lee sin because even though he isn't too strong in solo que with good communication he brings alot of peel and utility to his team

the pros know his damage falls off late game but what do they do with him instead? they build him tank and use his ult and great engage

ever heard of what insecing is? insecing is a good example of mechanics and communication combined

SEKAIFeb 6, 20154 votes

His damage used to fell off, I agree, but that was 2 years ago.

Not now, no. It only falls off relatively to his broken early game damage, otherwise it doesn't actually "fall" in the grand scheme of things with all things considered.

It would actually be somewhat fine if he falls off late like he used to though. Still it doesn't excuse a kit THAT overloaded.

ZazushaFeb 6, 20152 votes

Here's a concept: Lee is a very good pick. Everyone see's he's a good pick. Everyone picks him. Not everyone is good with him. People pick him even though they are not good with him.

Also, Rito has stated multiple times, He is good in any comp. i could have sworn a jack of all trades was a master of none.

Like others stated, Win rate isn't the only possible evidence to make a point about the strength of a pick.

Major SparklesFeb 6, 20153 votes

Honestly I don't find Lee to be that "oppressive". Occasionally there will be one that dominates the game but that can be said for just about every champion.

l AM SCRIPTINGFeb 6, 20153 votes

The harsh reality is that you can all complain all you want about Lee Sin, but so long as the entire focus of this game is flashy LCS BIG PLAYS e-sports backing, Lee Sin will reign dominant and untouched in the balance department because he's the flashy epitome of everything RIot wants its players to fawn over from a spectator perspective.

WOW THAT LEE JUST FLASH ULTED THE ENEMY ADC INTO THE OPPOSING TEAM THEN IMMEDIATELY WARD HOPPED TO SAFETY WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE, SO MUCH ROOM FOR COUNTERPLAY THERE FROM THE RECEIVING ADC, WHAT A MASSIVE OUTPLAY FROM LEE SIN--I DON'T BELIEVE IT, NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE, #LCSBIGPLAYS HURRR

OH ALSO THE ULT LEE SIN USED DID 500 DMG DESPITE LEE ONLY HAVING A SINGLE DAMAGE ITEM

GetBoomedOnFeb 6, 20152 votes

I think Lee isn't a problem..... never had one rek my game like a fed yi.... not saying either are OP. Not a single champ that's broken right now in my opinion

studentmasterFeb 6, 20152 votes

Lee sin is an utterly and disgustingly overpowered champion. I have come to the point where i will auto dodge a game the enemy picks him unless we get an equally overpowered champion on our team to counter his opness. I also treat jarvan and vi the same way who are also both beyond broken, and well i guess they would have to be because they are the only ones that can compete with lee sins opness. Vi Jarvan Lee are all basically the same thing and have pretty much the same impact on the game. Overpowered through the wall mobility, heavy burst, cc, and speedy jungle clear time.

UltîmaFeb 6, 20151 votes

Lee combines massive utility with damage and mobility. Those are some of the exact same traits that saw Kassadin, Leblanc and Talon nerfed. Riot needs to decide what kind of jungler Lee Sin should be - his mobility is epic and certainly fun to watch, but he should have low damage to compensate for the freedom he has over the course of a game.

Make his mobility and utility the core of his gameplay so that Lee Sin remains a reliable ganker, initiator and/or peeler during a game, but please get rid of his ability to deal damage on the same level as an assassin.