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Zed patch notes translation

Lord Macaroni··44 votes·4,944 views

"Zed's pattern of poking from a distance and waiting for the moment to strike is layered with counterplay and complexity. That is, up until his AD items remove the need for his spells, allowing just a few auto-attacks to seal your fate."

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Zed's pattern of poking, safely farming and zoning their lane opponent with reliable waveclear either pushing or last hitting under tower, infinite resources, and waiting for the moment when he hits level 6 to dive you under your tower and get away without consequence is layered with counterplay. if you get an hourglass or QSS at level 6 with magical gold while he rushes damage and lane sustain. That is, up until the brutalizer and BOTRK he rushed takes away any chance of you surviving his ult and removes the need for you to think you'll come out ahead in your lane against Zed. We don't care that playing against Zed is a miserable experience because us, along with all of our LCS viewers think it's fun to watch Zed make flashy plays.

Way to give Zed a slap on the wrist that won't change anything about how frustrating he is to lane against. You're awfully silent about gutting basically every mana using mid laner's chance to come close to how effective and reliable Zed is.

And if Zed is a "healthy assassin," then tell me why champs like Talon, Eve, Fiora, Noct, etc. have been nerfed into unplayable when they can't do 1/2 of what Zed has. The second Talon saw play mid lane, you IMMEDIATELY nerfed him into being garbage tier again. PLS let me know your rationale of why Zed is considered healthy without dollar signs.

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Gank Top 4 Succ31 votes

"Balance is a fool's master"

ThePlasticSpork10 votes

Riot takes Zeds in-game quotes about balance a little bit more literally than everyone else does.

Missed My Burst7 votes

+1

The Whamboozler5 votes

The way I see, the issue with Zed isn't that he's strong. Champions are supposed to be strong at what they do. The issue is that's he's safe. He can pretty effortlessly slip out of bad situations if he's not asleep. He's got strong waveclear and splitpushing abilities if he somehow DOES fall behind, and he's not mana-based so he doesn't have to worry about managing resources. He's AD so he builds lifesteal and thus has strong sustain to avoid being poked out of lane. His last-hitting is excellent, making it hard to starve him of CS even early on. He has a bunch of "counterplay" only in the sense that there are several items that will reduce or eliminate his ability to blow you up. They do nothing to turn the tables on HIM, they just let you endure him. If you're playing against Zed you are almost assured to be forced into a defensive and reactive playstyle while he gets to dictate the flow of the fighting. If he dies it's usually because HE messed up really hard, not because you out-skilled him.

The reason I think Zed is a problem is because he almost FORCES the game to be played a certain way just by existing, and he brutally punishes mistakes (or just people not realizing exactly HOW you have to play against Zed) while being incredibly safe from being punished for his own misplays or constant aggressive behavior. Riot mentioned more than once how they dislike the "burden of knowledge" being an issue with champs. Well, Zed requires very specific champs and/or very specific items and playstyles to deal with. Not even to beat... just to not die to him under tower again and again. Even if you do know how to deal with him yourself, do the other 4 people on your team? Did you mess up even once when he ulted you? Well you're probably dead. Meanwhile there's really nothing stopping him from trying to blow you up with it again and again and again in the hopes that you misclick or misplay. He gives up nothing to try and few champs can punish his attempt... even if it doesn't work. THAT is why he's a problem. Not because he's good at killing people. Because he's low risk, high reward.

D1rtFarmer1 votes

Could not say this any better ^

Zydron4 votes

Zed "Balance is weakness"

Sooko4 votes

Rush Zhonya's, go OOM faster than a poking Gangplank with Doran's Shield, while Zed gets to rush a Penetration item without any drawback.

Don't pick squishy mages. Yeah, amazing considering in Blind Pick Zed gets chosen 1 in every 3 games, and the other picks are Yasuo or Katarina or Fizz before his changes. I should have a whole class made unviable just because Riot won't nerf this champion where he truly needs it?

Play safe and he won't be able to dive you (considering you have been able to dodge nearly all of his shurikens both his and his shadow's, you have more than 70% health or he has no items yet)

Bruiser mid, who needs heavy damage in teamfights anyway, or waveclear, or unkiteableness?

Coordinate ganks with his cooldowns is the only viable excuse I see, and no Zed main even mentions it. That's like hoping a Lucian Relentless Pursuits into a teamfight. Its not hard for a Zed to farm with his costless shurikens while turret hugging during the Shadow's cooldown...

QSS drops the Death Mark. So it counters Zed! Even if its stats are completely worthless against an assassin that literally only has to build AD and penetration.

And I am already foreseeing the Zed mains coming with the "muh lower attack speed" excuse, similar to Riven mains' "HP5".

SmokinSickStyle3 votes

You have addressed the real problem into your first line, the problem is mana regen being hit too hard not assassins\champions with efficient\no resource.

Bruiser mid, mage with range top, that's how you do it.

Also people cry about mana reg as if it has hit only mages, EVERYBODY is suffering from it and it's a major issue that Riot doesn't see to want to fix.

If you are playing banless modes you need to suck it up and not complain about them, we have draft mode for a reason.

Sadly we can't have TB with bans because it will increase the time to make a game more than it already is (TB is shitty anyway, good concept but it takes too long to make a game and people leave every single goddamn sacred second because they are all impatient kids.)

Sooko1 votes

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You have addressed the real problem into your first line, the problem is mana regen being hit too hard not assassins\champions with efficient\no resource.

Maybe mana users did not only get hit hard, but were the only ones hit, the manaless ones lost nothing.

Bruiser mid, mage with range top, that's how you do it.

Mages were brought top because they do well against melees, what if I end up catching a Mage mid with my bruiser, which is just to prevent the case of one assassin being picked?

Also people cry about mana reg as if it has hit only mages, EVERYBODY is suffering from it and it's a major issue that Riot doesn't see to want to fix.

Bruisers and ADCs can still AA if their mana becomes low. Tanks and supports are also hit, yes, but they can still soak/peel when low on mana. A mage's auto-attacks look rather worthless (Looking at you Karthus) unless they have something in their kit that makes AAs strengthened by AP like Viktor or Ori.

If you are playing banless modes you need to suck it up and not complain about them, we have draft mode for a reason.

That's mode where there is rarely even a Zed to begin with, because he is always one of the first bans.

Sadly we can't have TB with bans because it will increase the time to make a game more than it already is (TB is shitty anyway, good concept but it takes too long to make a game and people leave every single goddamn sacred second because they are all impatient kids.)

Yeah, I can't really disagree with that...

Malix Farwin3 votes

At the moment, the best counter play for zed is to ban him. He didnt get real nerfs because he isnt AP. Hell fizz got harder nerfs and at least Fizz isnt resourceless with ranged poke and sustain.

Xtremey3 votes

the p[roblem isnt zed as much as mana. right now mana regen is in a terrible place, limiting mana intensive anti-assassins, therefore putting zed in a favorable position. people were screaming for zed buffs back in early season 4, and nothing has changed but the ult QoL buff.

Epilogue of Life2 votes

Ya I'd like to see a Zed 100-0 you after you Zhonya under your tower/with two other teammates. As for his pokes, just dodge them or go clothe five and ignore them...

Kitten of Evil10 votes

Well I guess I should just buy Zhonya's no matter what champ I'm playing, and make sure I always have two other teammates with me, even during the laning phase!

Epilogue of Life1 votes

In lane just sit near your tower, and mid late game when people abandon their lanes, don't go places alone. In teamfights, if Zed ult you and you just Zhonya wtf can he do lol

Decaedeus1 votes

He can press R again and go back to poking you to death.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

his pokes are all skillshot. l2dodge

Decaedeus2 votes

That's what they said about old Nidalee spears too.

BetaDude401 votes

Here is a list of steps of what Zed can do to a champion after said champion uses Zhonya's:

  1. Wait for Zhonya's to go down
  2. Use your extremely low cooldown, low cost Q and E
  3. Basic attacks and W if needed
  4. ???
  5. Profit

This can apply to champions under tower as well. But, If any of that should fail, use the "EMERGENCY EJECT" button, located to the left of the "T" key on your keyboard. If that somehow doesn't work, then use the "EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EJECT" button, located to the right of the "SPAM TO WIN" and to the left of the "SLOW BRO" keys.

Remember: You are balanced as long as the enemy MUST always purchase one of two defensive items to even stand a chance against you, only for them to then realize that you are already greatly more powerful than them.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

There's so much flaws within your argument that I can't even have a concise reply...basically Zhonya removes his ult, and if he can duel you without the ult, then you've fed him quite a lot. His Q doesn't always have low cost, and if he dives initiating with ult, just CC him....

BetaDude401 votes

  1. You can Zhonya's through the ult, but then what? Unless you're under tower or a teammate is nearby, he'll be standing right there, waiting for it to end. There's not much time before he can use his combo again, albeit without his W, and unless you have some insane mobility, then it'll be hard to get away

  2. According to LoL Wiki, Zed has 200 energy with 50 per 5 second regen. Zed's Q costs 75/70/65/60/55 energy, with a 6 second cooldown at all ranks. Even at rank 1, Zed can just wait an extra 2 seconds until his energy regen completely compensates for it. At rank 5, Zed can indefinitely spam Q and he will regain enough energy to do that forever. Zed's E has a 4 second cooldown with 50 energy cost at all ranks. Again, Zed needs to wait only a second until the cost of his E is completely refunded. Zed's W can also have it's cost completely negated (40/35/30/25/20 energy at 18/17/16/15/14 CD), but that's mainly because of its cooldown rather than the already-low cost.

  3. "Just CC him/her" is probably the most bullshit excuse for any champion. Here's a tip: CC is LITERALLY a hard counter for just about every champion. Catch is, you have to be able to land it, and don't tell me you're xX_MLGPROJ3SUSW4LLH4X_Xx who is capable of CCing an untargettable champion. Part of the reason many people don't like assassins is due to the fact they sometimes have the ability to flat-out ignore any damage you through at them for a period of time (the other part being they can easily squish the mages who just ran out of mana). The few times he's weak during his ult are when he's walking up to you to do it, and the split second where he's doing his entire burst. The other times he's either untargettable or using his Emergency Escape Button for an ult.

  4. I want to know why my argument has flaws in it. No, go ahead. Give me a concise reply, please. We'll see if it's valid or not.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

His ult can be negated by Zhonyas so he can't just 100-0 you whenever he wants. Also, he's a duelist, so pls don't cry about him waiting out the Zhonyas. It's like bitching about Jax and Fiora #rekting mage when the mage's not under tower/with team, lol. The real reason why he's broken is cuz how Kayle and Talon and everyone else who used to counter him was nerfed into the ground. Ya back when Talon had silence and Kayle had dmg Zed wasn't someone people bitched about, ever, lol.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

Well, lately I've just avoided mid-lane altogether, but if I must I'd happily go Malz -- he counters Zed decently enough. But even if I never die to Zed, he easily outfarms me even as Malz, the one guy intended to be "mindlessly push lane and CS with space aids" because of Zed's passive and Q. I have to hope I can push hard enough that he doesn't leave lane to get free kills from people who aren't going to rush Zhonya's (like, I dunno, my ADC?)

asktiks17 votes

sure , let me play velkoz till I get another zed mid, ill let him do it and record it

lol cloth and ignore them he says...

do you not see the hypocrisy with this?
so while zed is going straight into his core, I gotta waste 3k on zhonyas JUST to be able to survive?

oh nevermind that the SECOND he gets brutalizer or some Arm pen , half of my 3k investment to "survive" has gone down the drain

bah, I am done trying to convince condescending zed mains..

you ALL have the SAME attitude and you all spam laugh like you were the second coming of Christ for playing zed, yall disgust me

RogueWill2 votes

If you are against a lower tier zed go for hp instead on armor (Rod of agesitem 3027 or rylai item 3116 , most lower tier zed are doing a cookie build and they will rush armor pen which isn't as effective on hp. If you are against higher tier zed there is a few options but none of them are practical thou 1) perma ban him, 2)bring a gapcloser top to mid (irelia, fiora and even rene can shut him down) 3) play zed yourself 4) play another assassin with similar kit and beat them on skill alone (talon and katarina does really well if you are more or less on the same skill level).

PS: if you are looking for mages go for semi tank bruiser, Annie and Mordekaiser can kill Zed if he plays passive or counter engage him if he goes aggressive, Malzahar can ult him right after his ult if you have quick enough reflexes and deny most of zed damage while still dishing out his. If you are looking for long range mage from the likes of lux or orianna or even ziggs you will have a hard time.

Gafugarion9 votes

Lol Permabanning isn't and option, if anything it just proves he needs nerfs =/

RogueWill1 votes

Zed wasn't really designed for mid (similar to kha) he was designed for jungle, if you nerf him too much he will stop being played altogether (similar again to kha). I'm not a Zed main (in fact I dislike his kit) but truth to be told Riot will hesitate in nerf him due to the flashy plays he can make on LCS which helps as advertisement. Tell me again when was the last time you tried a game because a boring farm fest the first 20 min and only action in the last 10? The options aren't really practical but since none of us (or at least 90% of us) aren't becoming pro anytime soon permaban him is the easiest solutions (Don't tell me you don't remember the perma Kass ban or the perma Talon ban). If you are on normals or teambuilders just switch lanes with your top, they will east zed and you will do decent against the other top if you play safe (top relies on a series of skirmishes unlike zed that relies on a sigle all in)

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Zed wasn't really designed for mid (similar to kha) he was designed for jungle, if you nerf him too much he will stop being played altogether (similar again to kha). I'm not a Zed main (in fact I dislike his kit) but truth to be told Riot will hesitate in nerf him due to the flashy plays he can make on LCS which helps as advertisement. Tell me again when was the last time you tried a game because a boring farm fest the first 20 min and only action in the last 10? The options aren't really practical but since none of us (or at least 90% of us) aren't becoming pro anytime soon permaban him is the easiest solutions (Don't tell me you don't remember the perma Kass ban or the perma Talon ban). If you are on normals or teambuilders just switch lanes with your top, they will east zed and you will do decent against the other top if you play safe (top relies on a series of skirmishes unlike zed that relies on a sigle all in)

sorry but while he might look good at doing flashy stuff that doesn't help the fact that he is unhealthy to the game as a whole. He can just as easily frustrate new players into leaving as being "advertisement". You can nerf him in a lot of way to not make him be a pain to deal with, he has no counterplay other than "build these items and hope to god you can dodge most of his stuff" unless i'm mistaken that's the type of "counterplay" Riot doesn't want in the game if it means it's the only type of counterplay there is. The more they refuse to actually do something about him the more they are hurting themselves since players are just not going to care anymore and move on since he is just making things stale and in a bad way.

Once again, flashy plays shouldn't come at the cost of game balance. Zed has no real counterplay to him, he has good waveclear, poke, burst, escapes all while doing it in a rather safe matter... then you have champions like Taric that are in desperate need of help but nope! and champions like Sona who get nerfed because "they lack counterplay"... well Sona has way more counterplay than Zed does due to her not having any actual escapes so what's their excuse to not doing anything to him? flashy plays? sorry but that's just an excuse for them being incompetent at doing their jobs

Epilogue of Life1 votes

Sona's counterplay...can you dodge Sona's poke by sidestepping? Can you neuter Sona with Zhonya?(actually Zhonya neuters any champion...such balance) Is Sona melee?

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Sona's counterplay...can you dodge Sona's poke by sidestepping? Can you neuter Sona with Zhonya?(actually Zhonya neuters any champion...such balance) Is Sona melee?

no i can't dodge her poke but i can poke her back and more than likely do more damage to her than she does to me. Yes i can, she uses her ult and i use Zhonya's making it wiff... now i can just go to her face and bop her head maybe twice and watch her die. Is Zed so squishy that he loses half his health in a trade?

jhlee01334 votes

And they nerfed Sona without hesitation.

Epilogue of Life2 votes

Wait since when did they permaban Talon? He is literally nothing but one round of AOE burst...

RogueWill1 votes

Back when his cutthroat still applied silence instead of a slow he could literally kill you without you being able to damage him at all. he was permabanned every single game since long range poke mages were the trend.

Pinker 102 votes

Back when his cutthroat still applied silence instead of a slow he could literally kill you without you being able to damage him at all. he was permabanned every single game since long range poke mages were the trend.

Maybe in bronze and low silver. Morde and lux (shields>burst), ahri and annie (Cast times op), hell, even a good immobile as a rock malzahar silenced his ass for as long as he was and won the fight because of it. The removal of talon's silence had less to do with talon than the overall phasing out of silence as a whole. Talon was never better than average.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

Is this like bronze or diamond? No offense at all, I'm just wondering if everyone felt that way.

SeldomWrong1 votes

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Wait since when did they permaban Talon? He is literally nothing but one round of AOE burst...

Talon's e is ridiculous, he can basically dodge any skill shots.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Talon's e is ridiculous, he can basically dodge any skill shots.

yeah he can dodge so many skillshots... as long as he can actually get in range of using the thing which should be easy enough to predict since it doesn't have the greatest of ranges

DeusVult2 votes

I love when people say "champ isn't OP, you can just ban them or CC them"

so, my only options to beat this champ are;

  1. Never allow him to be played because he will beat me if he's in the game

  2. Do not allow said champ to actually use his/her kit. because if they do, then they will kill you

YES! that definately shows the sign of a balanced champ

TLDR - Olaf was really nerfed into oblivion because the "just CC him" bullshit excuse didn't apply to him, so Riot was forced to kick his teeth in

Epilogue of Life2 votes

Lmaooooooo check my match history I can't play Zed for shit and I shit on Zed as Talon all day. I just can't stand it when noobs don't make any of the 20 million counterplays available and then blame champions.

Meep Man2 votes

Make him using his shadows for teleport cost extra energy, for W and R. Also reduce his W passive. Boom, he is balanced.

SmokinSickStyle2 votes

Stop picking squishy mages mid when you see a Zed being picked first?

Seeker's armguard severely reduces the damage he can deal to you, if you play it safe, depending which champion you are using Zed has to work real hard to kill you as it takes much more time and focus to do so.

Zhonyas or QSS won't save you during lanephase if you fed him some kills earlier, but as soon as you get it, with proper usage you can completely negate his ultimate from being even applied on you.

Seriously Toplane is filled with ranged ad and mages and people QQ about darius not being able to catch a lissandra, why not try new champions instead?

Too afraid to play differently than the meta overlord tells you?

I didn't really like that time when i found that i had to play against an Irelia mid as Zed.

Or that other time i tried to pick katarina and found darius mid to my surprise.

It's like when you are taught as a child that fire burns you but you still stupidly try to play with it.

I have a question, if Zed is nerfed into "unplayability" you will have your Tard-itional mage vs mage mid being a boring farm fest and then stomping you and your team because there's no assassin left that can deal with them?

Or we want to talk about that fed ADC that's gonna 2 shot every single person in your team?

asktiks2 votes

zed main detected throwing the same hyperbole aevery other zed mains tells you

also , there is blbind pick and team builder I DO NOT see zed "being picked there"

also, I love how you all say"rush armguard and zhonyas" but conveniently ignore that zed is going straight into his core dmg build while im wasting 3 k to just survive...then he gets brutalizer and half my zhonyas stats become non existent to him (read armor penetration)

we haven't even mentioned lw yet..

bah hypocrites all of you not one of you takes a mage and goes against zed mid and records a video of how "easy" and enjoyable is to lane against zed as a mage

but who cares , this is leage of zed and lee sin and these latest nerfs/buffs and riot statements show me they don't even play their own fkn game, you can stay in this one map stale assassin meta ill be playing hots and dota 2 where there is no "lcsbigplays" nor zed /yasuo kinda bulshit champs

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

So you prefer not rushing zhonyas and feeding him because an assassin that is supposed to counter you kills you?

If Zed couldn't counter mages or ADC where would you put him in? Where would be his place? (I want a serious answer to that).

Honestly if you are playing blind pick or teambuilder you cannot really complain that you find all those permabanned champions picked, you deserve at this point to find them, because if you truly don't want to play against specific champions you play draft and ask for bans or do them if your are lucky to get the captain.

I do not play a specific champion or role 100% of the time, i love to try new things out (Outside ADC just too boring for me), Yes i play lots of Zed, no i am not ashamed just because a bunch of people start to call him OP once again (Like every year this is that time of the year.)

No i won't pick a champion that i know will counter me unless i just want to have fun.

You have an assassin against? Why the fuck are you expecting to have an easy time relaxing and "enjoying" to play against one, you call me hypocrite and you don't even know me, shall i call you hypocrite because you mentioned other champions that are labeled as assassin and those as well aren't fun to play against?

I bet you find fun when an pre nerf evelyn will come out of the nowhere killing you instantly, or a Fiora pressing ult and killing half team + one squishy because someone gave her a kill early, Talon (I play him too) surely has alot of counter play, YOU are the reason along with other people like you ALL assassins got nerfed at some point.

Sadly Zed still stands because of how his kit is shaped, much like Irelia, despite all the nerfs they are able to keep themselves relevant in any meta where there aren't significant changes to itemization whatsoever.

Few months ago it was Mages overlord meta now all of sudden it's assassins.

I repeat, you don't have to enjoy to lane against Zed as a mage because you aren't meant to, this is not some hot tea time with your friends, it's Summoner (R.I.P.)'s Rift, you battle here.

The ending result is shaped by your decisions, I bet when you find Talon mid you surely still not buy Seeker's armguard, because muh "penetration" muh "last whisper", wake the fuck up man, if he doesn't kill you he cannot easily rush those items.

I don't really believe your words, if you are a troll you are one hell of a good one, you are saying me that rushing Zhonyas for 50 armor 120 goddamn AP and a godlike active isn't buying damage whilst having some defense?

What else do you want to make it that you don't go on stasis but you are immune to damage and CC for 2.5 seconds?

Zhonyas is so OP that it doesn't matter if you rush it or not, it's good and CORE on 100% of mages who rely on burst, DID YOU SERIOUSLY SAY IT'S NOT AS CORE AS BRUTALIZER IS ON ZED?

LMAO.

What i have to hear lol Zhonya is not worth rushing.

The only thing is that you are lacking CDR and mana regen.

The real problem is for me when i play mages nowadays is how shitty mana regen turned out to be, because Riot is great at balancing this game where it's needed, let's nerf mana regen and make jungle 10 times harder so mana based junglers can't give 2nd blue to laners because they are behind in exp and mana.

Gafugarion4 votes

Its fine when a counter actually has some counterplay. Zed is really lacking that. Nerf the range on his shadow jump and I'd be happier with the champ. As it is he can always escape unless 100% lock downed and burst to death.

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

Explain further, lacking counterplay is not enough for me.

What you described applies to any champion that has a mobility spell.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Manaless, long range hard hitting poke, two gapclosers, untargetability, delete button, last hit passive - can't possibly miss CS under tower, forces you to buy specific items or playing specific champions just to survive.

Here, I think I didn't forget about anything.

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

Describing a champion kit is not explaining WHY he has not counterplay for you.

To do his entire poke he has to use his entire kit outside ult which is not a delete button as you still have to aim your shurikens at least early in the game where you don't have the meta cheese AA till tomorrow after ult build (Crit is broken by itself so it's not Zed's problem).

The entire thing costs quite a huge amount of Energy, as much as efficient as it might be you can still run out of it if you spam too much.

BetaDude402 votes

This just in: Zed has to AIM his Q!!! Therefore, COUNTERPLAY!!! I mean, it's not like one of the fastest skillshots in the game that passes completely through minions like cheese.

Also, who said you have to use Zed's entire kit (save for ult) to poke? Last I checked, minimum requirement was Q, then general effort is usually reserved for his W + Q combo. Only time I ever see a Zed use E or W + E or W + E + Q is when said opponent is way too close to Zed/shadow, or Zed is currently diving in on him and preparing for the kill. E isn't to be used in poke because of the very low range, in which case any decent player would stay away from the shadow if they are able to.

Don't talk about energy costs from spamming either. If you think that Zed's bad, play any champ with high mana costs and low mana pools. Any player, given time to understand a champion, can understand what it takes to run out of energy or mana, and will be less reluctant to spam completely. Saying "Zed runs out of energy if he spams" is true for every champion with ability costs, just replace "Zed" with a random champion and "energy" with mana if needed.

Also, he was defining why he hasn't much counterplay. Just reading that kit makes me sick, and it makes me remember all the horrifying times of trying to fight Zed with nothing but a Zhonya's, only because my friends told me it countered him. What they didn't know was that Zed was already roaming and couldn't give less of a fuck about my Zhonya's.

Solidair32 votes

While I do agree Zed has just a bit too much going on, Talon is hardly garbage tier.

DEmperor951 votes

I agree, Zed's early game damage is a little higher than it should be. Anyway, why does nobody mention that you can easily dodge his poke? Dodge. His. Poke. If you keep getting hit by his poke consistently, you are a scrub. And no, I don't play Zed.

Gafugarion4 votes

The "Dodge the spears" argument didn't help Nidalee, it shouldn't be a defense for zed when he can ult and do it point blank in your face.

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Am I the only one who despises Nunu?
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