For the last 2 years riot has done nothing but make TERRIBLE lore changes but finally they made a lore change that doesn't SUCK, good job riot you did gud this time. But I still hate you for WW and Janna.
If you hate Varus's lore change explain why.
Therion774 votesLore ...
In a fantasy world where a giant rat and a chick with sunglasses have crossbows, and two criminal psychopaths, and a sheriff, have guns. --- And they all fight, in an arena, and the giant rat and chick with sunglasses who both sport crossbows can somehow manage to kill the two criminal psychopaths and the sheriff that have guns, on a regular basis. But no one really ever dies. They respawn, on a giant stone altar, ... somehow. Just to do it all over again... until this giant blue crystal is destroyed.
Then there's this bimbo with huge jugs who dresses up like a pirate, and her "magic" flintlock pistols somehow shoot hundreds of rounds per second ... She just kills EVERYBODY! It all makes PERFECT sense.
d1v1ne beast2 votesLore ...
In a fantasy world where a giant rat and a chick with sunglasses have crossbows, and two criminal psychopaths, and a sheriff, have guns. --- And they all fight, in an arena, and the giant rat and chick with sunglasses who both sport crossbows can somehow manage to kill the two criminal psychopaths and the sheriff that have guns, on a regular basis. But no one really ever dies. They respawn, on a giant stone altar, ... somehow. Just to do it all over again... until this giant blue crystal is destroyed.
Then there's this bimbo with huge jugs who dresses up like a pirate, and her "magic" flintlock pistols somehow shoot hundreds of rounds per second ... She just kills EVERYBODY! It all makes PERFECT sense.
Tell me more about this "lore" that you speak of. None of it makes sense. Not that it has to, but that's exactly why I don't even bother reading this "lore."
lore ≠ gameplay
Therion771 votesWhere do Jinx, Jhin, and Caitlyn buy their ammo from? I guess Piltover has a gun store? Maybe Cabelas? Academy Sports & Outdoors? Or some mom and pop store?
SEKAI3 votesWell, it's your opinion.
But I do think this lore change is bad and on the same level of bad as Trundle's lore change back then, where they not just re-iterate the story and setting and just fleshing the character out differently while using the same core, they fundamentally changed the very basis of the character, without a clear reason or need to do so but they did it anyway.
But yeah.
DNFVixen2 votesWell, it's your opinion.
But I do think this lore change is bad and on the same level of bad as Trundle's lore change back then, where they not just re-iterate the story and setting and just fleshing the character out differently while using the same core, they fundamentally changed the very basis of the character, without a clear reason or need to do so but they did it anyway.
But yeah.
whats your reason for hating varus's lore change.
Funkynút2 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:51:43.596+0000)
whats your reason for hating varus's lore change.
gay #nothomophobicsinceifaptotraps
DNFVixen1 votesgay #nothomophobicsinceifaptotraps
You dislike the change because they made it varus 2 gay people + 1 darkin?
d1v1ne beast1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:58:46.396+0000)
You dislike the change because they made it varus 2 gay people + 1 darkin?
that's not what he said. he said he "i fap to traps" maybe you should have read it.
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=d1v1ne beast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T14:22:59.283+0000)
that's not what he said. he said he "i fap to traps" maybe you should have read it.
b-but, traps are only 2.19% gay...
Jokes and memes aside tho I actually don't believe liking crossdressors or trans is the same as being homosexual, because in the end of the day assuming this is talking about a boy who is turn on by another boy who looks like a girl for instance, the "turn on" factor is triggered by the fact the other boy looks like a girl; which means the intrinsic root of this attraction is hetero, a boy being turned out by the (perceived) sight of a girl, perhaps with a dash of homo-curious but hetero remains dominant. But hey, idk...
Funkynút1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:58:46.396+0000)
You dislike the change because they made it varus 2 gay people + 1 darkin?
yeah varus sucks now (litterally) BADUM TSSSSSSSSSSSSS
SEKAI2 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:51:43.596+0000)
whats your reason for hating varus's lore change.
Because his central theme of vengeance, is altered and made into another VERY DIFFERENT kind of vengeance. Not only that, the name of Varus isn't even the arrow man's name anymore. The character is completely scraped without a single bits left, while I said it's on the same level of bad as Trundle rework, I do think it's actually worse because at the very least he didn't lose his own name to his weapon also.
The old Varus, at his core, was a question of how far one is willing to go to avenge for their loved ones, the current Varus's only associate with the idea of revenge is that the Darkin wants a comeback for getting rekt and imprisoned millions of years ago. That is a very different foundation of a character, it's literally a different character.
Most of the other reworks have never gone into this level of re-write, where the old character is left utterly unrecognisable after the rework without a single trace left, not even their core theme is remotely the same. They are completely unrellateable in every possible way contextually, they really may as well be a new character and not a lore rework.
A change like this is only needed for when their central foundation is for some reason, no longer valid, like how Fiddlestick needs a complete overhaul of this level because his strong tie with the Institute of War is no longer valid after the retcon had deleted the latter. But not Varus, because Noxian invsaion of Ionia is still a very real thing in the current lore, and such a great project on completely (and I do mean it very literally) scraping old Varus makes little sense.
DNFVixen1 votesBecause his central theme of vengeance, is altered and made into another VERY DIFFERENT kind of vengeance. Not only that, the name of Varus isn't even the arrow man's name anymore. The character is completely scraped without a single bits left, while I said it's on the same level of bad as Trundle rework, I do think it's actually worse because at the very least he didn't lose his own name to his weapon also.
The old Varus, at his core, was a question of how far one is willing to go to avenge for their loved ones, the current Varus's only associate with the idea of revenge is that the Darkin wants a comeback for getting rekt and imprisoned millions of years ago. That is a very different foundation of a character, it's literally a different character.
Most of the other reworks have never gone into this level of re-write, where the old character is left utterly unrecognisable after the rework without a single trace left, not even their core theme is remotely the same. They are completely unrellateable in every possible way contextually, they really may as well be a new character and not a lore rework.
A change like this is only needed for when their central foundation is for some reason, no longer valid, like how Fiddlestick needs a complete overhaul of this level because his strong tie with the Institute of War is no longer valid after the retcon had deleted the latter. But not Varus, because Noxian invsaion of Ionia is still a very real thing in the current lore, and such a great project on completely (and I do mean it very literally) scraping old Varus makes little sense.
I have 2 names for you Janna and Warwick. Also I have read up on old Varus's lore, it was pretty hollow and weak, and the part where you basically say "The old Varus, at his core, was a question of how far one is willing to go to avenge for their loved ones, the current Varus's only associate with the idea of revenge is that the Darkin wants a comeback for getting rekt and imprisoned millions of years ago." Is pretty wrong, in this lore they are still struggling with the line of how far is too far for vengeance if you read the comic and watched the video. Varus is still the avatar of vengeance but this lore got filled out more. This lore change is a good one. The Darkin wants vengeance on all things, Valmar is struggling between killing all noxians in vengeance and not going too far in his quest for vengeance, and Kai is trying to prevent Valmar from acting on his hate and his thirst for vengeance. It is a lore of Love, Loss, Struggle, and Balance.
CaptainSeto1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T14:47:06.070+0000)
I have 2 names for you Janna and Warwick. Also I have read up on old Varus's lore, it was pretty hollow and weak, and the part where you basically say "The old Varus, at his core, was a question of how far one is willing to go to avenge for their loved ones, the current Varus's only associate with the idea of revenge is that the Darkin wants a comeback for getting rekt and imprisoned millions of years ago." Is pretty wrong, in this lore they are still struggling with the line of how far is too far for vengeance if you read the comic and watched the video. Varus is still the avatar of vengeance but this lore got filled out more. This lore change is a good one. The Darkin wants vengeance on all things, Valmar is struggling between killing all noxians in vengeance and not going too far in his quest for vengeance, and Kai is trying to prevent Valmar from acting on his hate and his thirst for vengeance. It is a lore of Love, Loss, Struggle, and Balance.
Uh.... Warwick is still a hunter. Which has been his theme for a while now. Sure he was a alchemist in his very 1st lore story, but that was scrapped and he became a bounty hunter who's human body was no longer enough, so he became a werewolf. His newest lore is a man who has a troubled past, but after being killed and resurrected as a fully fledged chimera of a beast he has decided to hunt down the criminals of Zaun. It doesn't change the very core of his character, which is being a hunter.
SEKAI1 votes"Weak" is not a reason to delete a character, you don't just re-write a character post-publication at the mere appeal to other novelties. It shows a clear lack of confidence and respect to your own very work and character. Even if you have to change them for whatever reason, "this is imo better so I'm moving over" is probably the WORST reason you can give for the change.
I don't know about Janna, but I know about Warwick.
He was cursed for his cruelty in his researches to be a wolf in the first lore, was described to be a hunter who hunts down victims to be the test subjects of his researches in the second lore, and now the 3rd lore where he is now the victim of someone else's research. Despite all these change and the evolution of his storytelling, a core remains consistent, it's about foregoing humanity and rationality and going feral and becoming a wild predator, in body and mind.
So no matter how far his characters have changed, at the very least the core remains consistent.
In the case of Varus, his old lore is a man on suicide mission for vengeance for his lost family (and ruined nation) that can be akin to that of a suicide bomber's; new Varus became disfocused, while Valmar retains many elements from the original Varus, but for the name-bearer actually, the Darkin, his associate with the notion of vengeance is just that he wanted to even the game that happened eons ago, nor is he running on a suicide mission driven mad by the idea of revenge like the old Varus was. That is a very big (not just identity, core identity) jump, which is my issue with it.
DNFVixen1 votes"Weak" is not a reason to delete a character, you don't just re-write a character post-creation at the mere appeal to other novelties. It shows a clear lack of confidence and respect to your own very work and character. Even if you have to change them for whatever reason, "this is imo better so I'm moving over" is probably the WORST reason you can give for the change.
I don't know about Janna, but I know about Warwick.
He was cursed for his cruelty in his researches to be a wolf in the first lore, was described to be a hunter who hunts down victims to be the test subjects of his researches in the second lore, and now the 3rd lore where he is now the victim of someone else's research. Despite all these change, a core remains consistent, it's about foregoing humanity and rationality and going feral and becoming a wild predator, in body and mind.
So no matter how far his characters have changed, at the very least the core remains consistent.
In the case of Varus, his old lore is a man on literal suicide mission for vengeance for his lost family (and ruined nation) that can be akin to that of a suicide bomber's; new Varus became disfocused, while Valmar retains many elements from the original Varus, but for the name-bearer actually, the Darkin, his associate with the notion of vengeance is just that he wanted to even the game that happened eons ago, nor is he running on a suicide mission driven mad by the idea of revenge like the old Varus was. That is a very big core theme jump, which is my issue with it.
As I said his previous lore was hollow and weak. They fleshed out his lore and made it actually better, the core is still there you just refuse to see it. They very idea of Varus is still there.
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=000100000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T15:20:48.784+0000)
As I said his previous lore was hollow and weak. They fleshed out his lore and made it actually better, the core is still there you just refuse to see it. They very idea of Varus is still there.
Half of the point of Varus's core identity is that he was also on a suicide mission that will eventually claim him sooner or later by his own madness, which this part is not present in the new lore.
So even if I accept this new iteration of "vengeance", that's still only half of the core characteristic and identity there.
Most of the reworks do not have this level of meddling on the very core of the champs themselves. Expansion and alternatives are okay as long as you don't overdo it, deletion however, raise questions.
AR URF2 votesIf you're referring to varus than I disagree.
DNFVixen1 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:47:27.062+0000)
If you're referring to varus than I disagree.
explain
AR URF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:50:57.585+0000)
explain
Why change a characters lore to appease the LGBTQ? It's quite hypocritical because let's say 
was gay and you change him to make him straight, the backlash would be ridiculous and politics have no place in video games.
DNFVixen1 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IAeZP66i,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T14:18:46.171+0000)
Why change a characters lore to appease the LGBTQ? It's quite hypocritical because let's say
I think it is because a lot of us called for a pair of champions that are a gay couple because of xayah and rakan, i personally like this lore change not because of the gay couple but because the story behind it is cute, tragic and beautiful. I still want 2 champions that are a gay couple. Trust me this will not appease the LGBT community, it feels like they tried to take the easy way out there. Also you say politics has no place in video games? I completely disagree. Video games are one of the biggest media platforms of date, there is no better platform to teach tolerance and acceptance of those who seek equality without prejudice and discrimination.
DaCurtis1 votesI like the lore change. It reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist which is badass.
Dope Solo1 votesLore is a waste of time and resources for a game that desperately needs attention to its broken BALANCE issues. I don't care what their comic book backstories are.