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What Sona really NEEDS

DNFVixen·Feb 12, 2016·8 votes·1,400 views

As someone who mains Sona 1 thing stands out above all things about Sona. She is in dire need of a buff to her W, the rest of her kit is fine, so what if her poke is weaker then say.... Lux, Annie, Morgana, and other Mage type supports, Sona isn't supposed to be a MAGE support, she is supposed to buff and heal and SUPPORT her team. I don't get why people are complaining about her dmg when she has quite good poke already. As stated before, what Sona needs is a buff to her heal.

From: A Sona Lover.

Edit: P.S. Even Taric outheals Sona.

New Edit: Figured this also had good points.

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:10:58.056+0000)

Fact 1. Sona has a lower winrate then other supports that are played in almost every match now.

Fact 2. Her poke is fine and isn't too hight or too low but the rest of her kit doesn't make up for how low it is especially how low her heal is. (her ult is strong but has a long cooldown even at 45% CDR)

Fact 3. A lot of teams don't want Sona because she doesn't poke as well as Morgana, Lux, Zyra or Any mage support, She doesn't heal nearly as well as any other healing champion like Raka, Taric, Alister, Nidalee, and she can't CC as often as many other champions, Lux, Morgana, Alister, Shen, Leona, and finally she can't Tank like Taric, Alister, Leona, and Shen.

Fact 4. People who do generally play her or want her in party only want a Sona for the DJ skin.

34 Comments

GirardFeb 13, 20162 votes

Sona with Lich Bane and Thunderlords has almost one shot me on numerous occasions. Completely disagree, she's in such a strong damaging state right now that a buff to her heal would be overkill. I would say yes to the heal buff if her damage got nerfed, and nerfed hard.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20165 votes

Why would a support Sona take Thunderlards when they are trying to help the ADC stay alive and win not get kills themselves? o.O

Also they have gutted her Q MANY MANY MANY MANY times, Her Q alone doesn't do that dmg, if you look at any mage with thunderlords and take lichbane they chunk, that is the keystone and the lichbane doing all that work. Look at every Morgana.

Sona's Q actually does quite little.

I am Tibbers GrrFeb 15, 20161 votes

Well my bf is on high elo and he recommend me to take thunderlords, lich bane and abysell to play sona supp. She cannot even poke well without that so. Also, I never took exhaust cause it is quite useless for sona. She rather needs ignite instead to carry her adc lmao.

And I personally think she does not need any buffs. She is strong af if you build on AP. You can't fail with her unless your team is full of fucking monkeys.

MrwiOzV6pBFeb 12, 20161 votes

She already has Windspeaker this season... Sona early and mid game is already OP. I've seen many good Sona players out damage their ADC and actually get more kills by the end of the game while their ADC becomes support. It wouldn't be so bad if Q AoE + AA proc wasn't so mindbogglingly easy.

DNFVixenFeb 12, 20166 votes

Sona can only really outdo her ADC in Bronze and low Silver, and a REAL support Sona would try to give every one of those kills to her ADC (unless ur ADC was an idiot like mine last game who went Ekko and wouldn't take any kills I set up). So many people play her as a mage when in reality Sona is meant to be a support who buffs and heals her allies and give them a boost. Also the Windspeaker keystone still hasn't increased how much she heals by much her heals are still so weak that even building FULL AP it takes like 7-10 heals to heal an ADC from 1/7th health to full...... where if i play Taric it takes only 3-4.... And Soraka and an ADC is healed in 1-2......... See the imbalance here? Also with Taric I can burst down an enemy from full around midgame, and I can do that solo where Sona cannot when building support. The Sona builds that burst down enemies while supporting are only taking the support item then building full mage rather then true support.

1 final point. Lichbane is what wins those games, not Sona's skills besides her ult.

QuephaFeb 12, 20161 votes

She has a very high winrate at all elos. You can't justify a buff to any part of her kit without also taking power away from somewhere else. Where would you take that power from? Damage seems like the only reasonable place, but proper use of her power chords for threatening poke is possibly the most nuanced part of playing current Sona as well as being the only thing that lets her be a zoning threat during the lane phase.

DNFVixenFeb 12, 20165 votes

Actually I just looked at 3 different sites just because I could, Sona has a 51% winrate which compaired to some champions like MF, Talon, Wukong, Illaoi, Sejuani and some others, Isn't that high, also Sona's poke can be strong but as I stated above there are champions that CAN poke harder and be more of a threat, Taric being one, Morgana, Lux, Hell even Alister hits harder and Heals better. My issue is the fact that she heals for shit all. It isn't even enough to be helpful in lane untill you have enough mana where you just sit there hitting it every few seconds and while having enough mana regen that it won't hinder ur poking, even then it basically does NOTHING ur ADC is basically healing themself with LIFESTEAL. I have looked upthe statistics and everything. Sona sits behind a lot of champions, not only in Heal but in poke, but she doesn't need more poke what she needs is a buff to her healing. I have talked to both my play and diamond friends before I made this post just to be sure I have facts straight. Sona

QuephaFeb 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-12T23:52:00.106+0000)

Actually I just looked at 3 different sites just because I could, Sona has a 51% winrate which compaired to some champions like MF, Talon, Wukong, Illaoi, Sejuani and some others, Isn't that high

It's still above average. The fact that some champions are even higher indicates that they are more likely to be problems that need nerfing

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

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It's still above average. The fact that some champions are even higher indicates that they are more likely to be problems that need nerfing

Whats Soraka's excuse then she is 1000x more broken then Sona AND she has a LOT higher winrate? What about Blitz and Thresh? The fact is, is that I cannot play Sona in ranked without people complaining because she is behind other supports right now. You say Sona doesn't need buffing when in-fact there are supports that are hell a lot stronger then her.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T00:07:47.506+0000)

Whats Soraka's excuse then she is 1000x more broken then Sona AND she has a LOT higher winrate? What about Blitz and Thresh? The fact is, is that I cannot play Sona in ranked without people complaining because she is behind other supports right now. You say Sona doesn't need buffing when in-fact there are supports that are hell a lot stronger then her.

Riot is actively looking for a good way to nerf Soraka at this very moment if you actually paid attention to what happens on the PBE.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

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Riot is actively looking for a good way to nerf Soraka at this very moment if you actually paid attention to what happens on the PBE.

AAAAAAnd you completely looked over every other champion I mentioned.

Also you failed to adress the fact people complain when someone picks Sona because there are "better" supports in their opinion, and trust me it has happened in every ranked match I tried supporting since last year.

QuephaFeb 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T00:26:54.823+0000)

AAAAAAnd you completely looked over every other champion I mentioned.

Also you failed to adress the fact people complain when someone picks Sona because there are "better" supports in their opinion, and trust me it has happened in every ranked match I tried supporting since last year.

Appeal to public fallacy. League players regularly believe nonsense.

The question remains: If Sona is so bad then why does she win so often?

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20165 votes

Easy, because once you know support it is easy to help ur ADCs run away/ run in, and 1 thing, Her Ult wins teamfights. those are the 2 key skills on sona right now, her E and her R really. Every good Sona player I have ever seen has won a team the game with a well placed Ult.

Also nothing I have said is nonsense, You just don't like Sona.

QuephaFeb 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T00:41:18.444+0000)

Easy, because once you know support it is easy to help ur ADCs run away/ run in, and 1 thing, Her Ult wins teamfights. those are the 2 key skills on sona right now, her E and her R really. Every good Sona player I have ever seen has won a team the game with a well placed Ult.

Also nothing I have said is nonsense, You just don't like Sona.

I rather like Sona. You literally just stated two things that make her very powerful and help her win games.

If she is powerful and winning games, she does not need a buff.

The 'nonsense' is the idea that Sona is weak.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

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I rather like Sona. You literally just stated two things that make her very powerful and help her win games.

If she is powerful and winning games, she does not need a buff.

The 'nonsense' is the idea that Sona is weak.

Yes her Ult is powerful, and Movement speed is wonderful but movement speed DOESN'T win games. Also out of how many games does a Sona ult win the game though? 1 out of 20 games? Never once have I said she is weak, just that she is behind OTHER supports right now. Right now she has lower winrates then ALL the champions I mentioned above except maybe Taric. But then again I win more often with Taric then Sona. (Taric Top OP XD)

Also Looking at ur profile it seems that you don't really lay ranked so maybe I am arguing with the wrong person.

QuephaFeb 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T00:53:21.231+0000)

movement speed DOESN'T win games.

LOOOOOL

Soraka and Thresh both have lower winrates than Sona, Thresh by a wide margin. Morgana and Annie have lower winrates as supports, too.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

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LOOOOOL

Aaaand I feel like I am talking to a brick..... Tell me how long have you been playing? Before trying to counter my argument did you talk ur points to anyone in the high ELOs? Did you talk to high ELO support mains? Probably not. Talk to me once you have things to back up ur points which have been trampled every time by facts.

Fact 1. Sona has a lower winrate then other supports that are played in almost every match now.

Fact 2. Her poke is fine and isn't too hight or too low but the rest of her kit doesn't make up for how low it is especially how low her heal is. (her ult is strong but has a long cooldown even at 45% CDR)

Fact 3. A lot of teams don't want Sona because she doesn't poke as well as Morgana, Lux, Zyra or Any mage support, She doesn't heal nearly as well as any other healing champion like Raka, Taric, Alister, Nidalee, and she can't CC as often as many other champions, Lux, Morgana, Alister, Shen, Leona, and finally she can't Tank like Taric, Alister, Leona, and Shen.

Fact 4. People who do generally play her or want her in party only want a Sona for the DJ skin.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:10:58.056+0000)

Aaaand I feel like I am talking to a brick..... Tell me how long have you been playing? Before trying to counter my argument did you talk ur points to anyone in the high ELOs? Did you talk to high ELO support mains? Probably not. Talk to me once you have things to back up ur points which have been trampled every time by facts.

Ad hominem fallacy. I prefer going into an actual argument than trying to point out that the person I'm talking to has achieved only Bronze and is estimated to only play at a Bronze level. I don't think the fact that I have achieved SIlver and am estimated to play at a silver level is relevant as that isn't much of an accomplishment. I don't feel it's relevant that I've had conversations with i0ki, a diamond support main, about her.

Fact 1. Sona has a lower winrate then other supports that are played in almost every match now.

This is a lie. Thresh is very popular despite a winrate around 5 points below Sona.

The rest of your post consists either of poorly supported opinions, useless anecdotes, or outright nonsense.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20163 votes

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Ad hominem fallacy. I prefer going into an actual argument than trying to point out that the person I'm talking to has achieved only Bronze and is estimated to only play at a Bronze level. I don't think the fact that I have achieved SIlver and am estimated to play at a silver level is relevant as that isn't much of an accomplishment. I don't feel it's relevant that I've watched streamers like i0ki play Sona in Diamond ranked matches.

This is a lie. Thresh is very popular despite a winrate around 5 points below Sona.

The rest of your post consists either of poorly supported opinions, useless anecdotes, or outright nonsense.

Now you are ignoring the fact that I talked to people of both Plat and diamond before making this post, something I stated multiple times so far. Also the difference between a silver and a bronze isn't much, also if you wanna comment on the rank I achieved then look when that rank was achieved, it was in this season's preseason when there was a shit ton of trolls, also look at how many rank games I have played total, only reason I played rank was for the fact I was payed to do it by my friend because he thought it would be funny to watch me get trolled. So please go ahead and mention my rank again I would love to see you flounder some more.

Take my arguments to some diamond and plat players and see what they say. Like my actual arguments not ur take on my points.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:32:10.802+0000)

Take my arguments to some diamond and plat players and see what they say. Like my actual arguments not ur take on my points.

No. I stated repeatedly that I will not engage in ad hominem bullshit.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20163 votes

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No. I stated repeatedly that I will not engage in ad hominem bullshit.

Because you know they will agree with EVERY point I have made because a LOT of the points I made where things that they said and not just my opinion, also nice lvl 1 rank sona you have..... Try playing her more and you will understand.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:40:37.018+0000)

Because you know they will agree with EVERY point I have made because a LOT of the points I made where things that they said and not just my opinion, also nice lvl 1 rank sona you have..... Try playing her more and you will understand.

Even the factually incorrect ones like your claims about winrate? Should I ask them if they think 47 is a higher number than 52? that seems like an awful waste of time for all of us.

CalabokFeb 13, 20161 votes

A sona main asking for a buff. How original

Dominick DestineFeb 13, 20161 votes

Breast implants?

She is in dire need of a buff to her W

Oh.

I think you mean her E, her W is fine... her E is absolutely atrociously bad.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-13T00:47:50.811+0000)

Breast implants?

Oh.

I think you mean her E, her W is fine... her E is absolutely atrociously bad.

Her W heals for next to nothing even after building full AP....... and the shield is weak as well....... her E is amazing actually, Sure movement speed doesn't win games but it really does help. the scaling on her E is amazing as well.

Dominick DestineFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:01:12.142+0000)

Her W heals for next to nothing even after building full AP

She is not meant to be a heal-bot on the level of Soraka, she is intentionally meant to be the worst healer in the game. Someone has to be the worst healer.

and the shield is weak as well

Sure, but put the shield and heal together... alongside targeting at least one other and the values add up pretty decently.

her E is amazing actually

No it is not. It is pure garbage.

Long CD, atrocious scaling across the board.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:07:04.580+0000)

She is not meant to be a heal-bot on the level of Soraka, she is intentionally meant to be the worst healer in the game. Someone has to be the worst healer.

Sure, but put the shield and heal together... alongside targeting at least one other and the values add up pretty decently.

No it is not. It is pure garbage.

Long CD, atrocious scaling across the board.

I quite disagree on all things, I played old Sona where her heal was actually good, they did not intend her to be the worst healer. Also even if she was intended to be the worst there is a limit to how bad they should make a heal, Sona's heal is actually so bad that there have been games where I didn't even bother using it except for the shield to buffer an attack and even then the ADC still dies.... It has a fairly short CD considering how HUGE a bonus that movement speed % is. As Sona I raced both a Teemo and a Evelynn and won due to E.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:19:36.270+0000)

they did not intend her to be the worst healer.

Averages more healing than Bard and Janna

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20164 votes

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Averages more healing than Bard and Janna

Bard Orbs heal for a TON more but almost none walks on them and Janna can only heal through her ult.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:37:01.940+0000)

Bard Orbs heal for a TON more but almost none walks on them and Janna can only heal through her ult.

Yeah, it's almost like champions have different strengths and weaknesses that make them better than Sona at some things and worse than Sona at others.

Dominick DestineFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gentle Lynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8LRroJ6i,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:19:36.270+0000)

I quite disagree on all things, I played old Sona where her heal was actually good

Umm yeah, release Sona had better healing than Soraka.... we saw nerf after nerf until they reworked her at which point she was unplayable/bad.

What argument are you making other than "Original Sona was overpowered"?

they did not intend her to be the worst healer.

So it just happened by accident? do you have such low faith in Riot or are you just a crazed hater?

Also even if she was intended to be the worst there is a limit to how bad they should make a heal

Ok let me explain again; Statistically, someone has to be on top, that's Soraka.... someone has to be on the bottom, that's Sona.

To compensate; Sona's heal works on two people and comes with it, a shield. Sona also has significantly greater damage potential than Soraka... AND she has an AoE stun as an ultimate. Soraka has ... basically her heal and that is her crutch.

There are many characters in between (Nami, Taric, Alistar, Bard, Nidalee, etc.) but as I stated, someone has to be best and someone has to be worst; That's not a bad thing, in fact , it's 100% unavoidable unless you give everyone exactly the same stats and skills.

** If you buff Sona's heal... someone else is going to be the worst healer and they will make exactly the same argument you're making now.**

Your argument is garbage.

BoundaryBreakerFeb 13, 20165 votes

I love how Sona is the worst healer while Alistair exists. He is tanky as F***, has a** tons of cc, and a heal that does more than Sona's. Well done riot, well done. Not dissing on Ali at all I love that cow (and yes, I WILL milk those), but Sona needs all kinds of help.

QuephaFeb 13, 20161 votes

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I love how Sona is the worst healer while Alistair exists. He is tanky as F***, has a** tons of cc, and a heal that does more than Sona's. Well done riot, well done. Not dissing on Ali at all I love that cow (and yes, I WILL milk those), but Sona needs all kinds of help.

Yeah poor Sona doesn't have ANYTHING that Alistar doesn't do better like range, damage, and damage prevention.

DNFVixenFeb 13, 20163 votes

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I love how Sona is the worst healer while Alistair exists. He is tanky as F***, has a** tons of cc, and a heal that does more than Sona's. Well done riot, well done. Not dissing on Ali at all I love that cow (and yes, I WILL milk those), but Sona needs all kinds of help.

Finally someone that agrees.

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