ranked que is 99% luck...

slarias··20 votes·1,553 views

Im sorry, but the ranked system is broken. There is no way that it isn't. People should be forced to play at least 10 games in normals with a champ before being able to play it in ranked... The number of games I have played recently where someone has died 10+ times and Im over here having died once or twice is ridiculous... and they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and all I can do is try to not feed and make it worse. After a certain point they are too ahead for you to be able to do much at all...

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Baby Ghoul4 votes

The game is usually decided by how cohesive your team is, not KDA. If your team can't properly engage, doesn't ward, doesn't focus the same champion, and can't get objectives then it doesn't matter how many kills you get or how well you did in lane. You will lose. I've had this happen most of the time, and a lot of times the deaths start rolling in after those failed team fights.

I think the thing I see a lot in solo queue is someone acting like the team captain and making such bad calls by underestimating power spikes and gold differences. If most lose lane or an enemy is more powerful than you, you should not be team fighting. Your opponents are stronger. However so many people want to team fight when they're behind, and it exacerbates the problem. Another big thing is knowing when you can contest an objective. If you can't because you're behind or minions are at your base with only a support defending, then don't try it. Fall back, ward, and defend. Don't lose half your team, or worse, get aced.

If you see someone struggling on your team there are a few things you can do. First you need to be polite. Being snotty is going to make the problem ten times worse. Let them know it's okay to lose a tower, and encourage them to build defensively/ward. Tell them that you will be in their lane to help as soon as you're done with whatever you're doing. Just treat others how you would want to be treated if the situation were reversed.

Too many times I've seen people spaz out on someone who got pressured so hard in lane with no help from teammates. Be it the enemy jungler camping top lane, or the support leaving the bot lane way too early leaving it 2v1. If you're the jungler and you're having issues, let your teammates know you were counter jungled and you're going to be weak for a little bit. It's sad to see so many people capable of making a comeback lose faith because a teammate is being obnoxious in chat about their mistakes like they don't make any themselves.

LaceUp233 votes

Except in all but 1 of my games, the team with most kills have won. Why? Because mid laner goes 0/8 and their mid laner snowballs and carries while ours jacks off in the side lane bushes because team won't ff.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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Except in all but 1 of my games, the team with most kills have won. Why? Because mid laner goes 0/8 and their mid laner snowballs and carries while ours jacks off in the side lane bushes because team won't ff.

You can take down someone who is 0/8 if you work as a team. I actually think that's not that big of a hill to climb. It's even easier if people on your team got slightly fed in lane or hit a power spike. If your team is bickering, and your mid laner is trolling, then yeah you probably aren't going to be able to take on that carry. Your mid laner sounds more like a troll, and I hope you reported them.

The midlaner who went 0/8 isn't going to start carrying you in return after you start winning fights, and they still may not be able to duel anyone but the support, but they can be very useful during a team fight with the proper engages and the correct positioning and use of CC. All you can do is ask for their help and be specific. This also gives them a chance to build more useful items and farm.

If the rest of you did mediocre in lane, then you should defend and look for openings because the chances of you winning a fight by grouping mid aren't great. You have an advantage when you team fight near your turret, and I've seen just as many teams get over confident and end up getting aced. The stakes for them in the fight are higher because they have nothing to fall back on, and often in lower ELO people stay behind far too long from what I've seen. I play a lot of support, and every other game there's that ADC that stays near the tower or inhibitor a little too long and people start falling like domino after they die.

Again, you can't win every game like that, but all hope isn't automatically lost because someone died a lot.

BuyMeSkinsPls1 votes

Good post, +1

slarias1 votes

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I think the thing I see a lot in solo queue is someone acting like the team captain and making such bad calls by underestimating power spikes and gold differences. If most lose lane or an enemy is more powerful than you, you should not be team fighting. Your opponents are stronger. However so many people want to team fight when they're behind, and it exacerbates the problem. Another big thing is knowing when you can contest an objective. If you can't because you're behind or minions are at your base with only a support defending, then don't try it. Fall back, ward, and defend. Don't lose half your team, or worse, get aced.

I do try to be nice, I really do. Ussually when I see us behiind I'm begging my team to play passive, and try to find those oppurtunities, but instead they are all going ham

Borkahn8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I9GAv4YO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-30T21:20:04.411+0000)

lol

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1963985840/69060?tab=overview

Just curious are you like the neighborhood bully or something? Everyone has one bad game but I can see his point when multiple people have come in saying, "Oh, I've never played this champ before." Seriously guy, you are pretty brave behind the keyboard to call every single post that someone vents their frustration out. Try to find something productive to do with your life.

Archon X2 votes

did you read the op?

"The number of games I have played recently where someone has died 10+ times and Im over here having died once or twice is ridiculous... and they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and all I can do is try to not feed and make it worse. After a certain point they are too ahead for you to be able to do much at all..."

compare that to the thread I made about wanting advice on a new midlaner

where I admit to getting wrecked and want to get better

do you see the difference?

maybe that's why I'm plat

slarias1 votes

diana was plat...

Borkahn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I9GAv4YO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-30T21:51:28.997+0000)

did you read the op?

"The number of games I have played recently where someone has died 10+ times and Im over here having died once or twice is ridiculous... and they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, and all I can do is try to not feed and make it worse. After a certain point they are too ahead for you to be able to do much at all..."

compare that to the thread I made about wanting advice on a new midlaner

where I admit to getting wrecked and want to get better

do you see the difference?

maybe that's why I'm plat

All I ever see is you shit talking someone who vents their frustration.

Archon X1 votes

I've gotten frustrated by getting royally wrecked.

Solutions:

  1. Ask for help on forums playing your role/champ
  2. Get coaching
  3. Read build/play guides
  4. Watch streamers
  5. Spectate friends
  6. Watch LCS pros

and many more

how not to handle it is go on the forums and blame your losses on teammates. You will notice that I only bring up the poor play history of those who complain that their losses were not due to their poor play.

slarias1 votes

that actually proves my point first time yasuo in ranked... only picked him because i had a good game in ARAM... I made a mistake, shit happens, but I learned from it...

slarias1 votes

also diana was smurfing...

Archon X2 votes

oh so

when other people die a bunch they are feeding and don't learn from their mistakes

but when you die a bunch you "made a mistake and learn from it" and had a smurf on enemy team

that "smurf" was jungler not mid, so everyone should have had awful scores since she can visit every lane, but no, just you.

Moral of the story is that unless you have a clean ass match history maybe don't publicly complain about allies being feeders?

slarias1 votes

maybe dont be a dick?

Archon X2 votes

"they keep making the same mistakes over and over again"

maybe dont be a dick?

slarias1 votes

the smurf was duo with their mid laner. Also im not a dick during the game. I am expressing my frustrations here, not there...

Archon X2 votes

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy

you have a bad game - "I made a mistake and learned from it and they had smurfs"

ally has a bad game - "ranked system is broken"

slarias1 votes

because every game I play is like that... you don't need to be a jerk about this. you are the reason people hate league...

Archon X1 votes

lol but you're the one being the jerk, calling out your allies as incompetent while you say you never feed, yet I found a recent ranked game where you fed

soooo there's that

if you still don't get it then enjoy spinning your wheels forever and never moving up in ranked

slarias1 votes

you are the one pointing specific things out. I am speaking generally... I hope you cry your self to sleep cause no one loves you...

Forsaken13 votes

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The moment you start blaming external factors (luck, trolls, whatever) is the moment where you will cease to climb. Games in which someone goes wildly negative and are essentially impossible to win happen to everyone at all ranks. It's being able to carry the close games that determine how far you will go.

Even when I have an allied midlaner go 1/14 and throw the game for me, I still try to pick out moments where I messed up. Small things that I could have done better to have a more positive impact on the game, even if we were still going to lose.

If you have over 800 games played and are at Silver V, you are seriously lacking basic game knowledge and the tools necessary to climb. Whenever I wind up laning against a low silver opponent in normals, I am always blown away by how many easily-avoidable mistakes they make. Watch your replays, pay attention to when you screw up and think about what you could do differently to do better next time.

1v1 me I have 1k games and elo hell is real, Ill prove it by owning you 1v1, or am i talking smack and just wana 1v1 people the world may never know muhaha

OswinStrike1 votes

Please do this lmao

Faded Lich2 votes

All I know is i just played my first placement match..Holy shit..the people I were matched with...It was a goddamn nightmare ._. I had to solo defend a five man push on our inhib 20 minutes in while they farmed lane and told me i was a "Fucking idiot" for telling them to help..

just..JUST WHAT...Is this going to be what ranked is like? If so fuck that shit. Normals are more competitive than that..i get placed with higher ranked players too lol.

umbraˉ2 votes

No, you just can't carry.

Twëek2 votes

The moment you start blaming external factors (luck, trolls, whatever) is the moment where you will cease to climb. Games in which someone goes wildly negative and are essentially impossible to win happen to everyone at all ranks. It's being able to carry the close games that determine how far you will go.

Even when I have an allied midlaner go 1/14 and throw the game for me, I still try to pick out moments where I messed up. Small things that I could have done better to have a more positive impact on the game, even if we were still going to lose.

If you have over 800 games played and are at Silver V, you are seriously lacking basic game knowledge and the tools necessary to climb. Whenever I wind up laning against a low silver opponent in normals, I am always blown away by how many easily-avoidable mistakes they make. Watch your replays, pay attention to when you screw up and think about what you could do differently to do better next time.

LaceUp232 votes

You can pick out moments where you messed up, but that doesn't mean the game still wasn't 100% the 1/14 mid laners fault, because it was. People seem to get this confused for some reason that I can't understand.

BuyMeSkinsPls1 votes

No one in low silver can really play mid. Honestly like 1 out of every 10 games I will be on a team with a decent mid laner who buys pink wards, knows power spikes and farms decently, the rest are llike "omg Ahri is my waifu so I'm gonna play mid" and they just lose lane or feed or both. Ahri is not a champ low silvers should be playing in general, she's all skillshots and I have seen some REALLY bad ones

Twëek1 votes

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You can pick out moments where you messed up, but that doesn't mean the game still wasn't 100% the 1/14 mid laners fault, because it was. People seem to get this confused for some reason that I can't understand.

It was their fault, but you can still improve from it. That one game does not define your ability to climb.

LaceUp231 votes

One game, no. But many like it most certainly do. And there are MANY like it.

Twëek1 votes

There are, and they happen to everyone at every rank. It takes a combination of skill and playing tons of games to be able to progress.

LaceUp231 votes

And if you aren't playing at a full rank higher skill level, it's complete luck who gets the these trolls.

Twëek1 votes

What a pointless discussion.

LaceUp231 votes

Easy to fix really.

PiVoRx2 votes

Thats one of the bullshits riot was (still is) using to brainwash people to reduce toxicity level.

Sorry but if yasuo (like in one my recent game) goes 0-9 in pure 1v1 against shyvana and then she comes and destroys all our other lanes that where doing fine its ONE AND THE ONLY HIS FAULT that game got destroyed.

Stop spreading this pointless pile of crap please.

slarias1 votes

exactly!

IcyPepper2 votes

20% skill

Titanium702 votes

Ranked: "This is 10% luck, 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will 5% pleasure, 50% pain" x'D

Swollwonder1 votes

I mean...sorry? I've gone 15/3/16 with ekko before and still lost. You can only do you. And above all else remember... its a game.

slarias2 votes

I mean thats true, but half the time you lose a game because if one person tries to play a leader they get called toxic... I say group, I get told FU, and then muted.... like every time.

Chuck Charles1 votes

While some games are unwinnable Sometimes you also get a string of unwinnable games.... You control your own rank. KDA is not key to winning. Objective control, ma pressure is.

Also, the sooner you start worrying about YOU and not your team (who you can't control no matter what) the sooner you start improving as a player

etymeloD1 votes

I just got out of bronze last night. Analyze mistakes and be positive. Push objectives and wards. That was my secret

TotalJerk1 votes

This is why you play 5v5. You get to choose your teammates.

Fiveofswords1 votes

well which is it? is it luck or is there a conspiracy against you? because if it were just luck the same would happen to your opponents as well and you would decide the balance by being so awesome.

by the way if you arent dying, but you also arent farming, then you are probably not doing any better than the guy who keeps dying. 15 cs = 1 kill.

slarias1 votes

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well which is it? is it luck or is there a conspiracy against you? because if it were just luck the same would happen to your opponents as well and you would decide the balance by being so awesome.

by the way if you arent dying, but you also arent farming, then you are probably not doing any better than the guy who keeps dying. 15 cs = 1 kill.

why are you such a dick. If im about evenly farmed maybe slight under the other person (mostly because of pressure) then at least I didn't die..

Lugg1 votes

{quoted}

People should be forced to play at least 10 games in normals with a champ before being able to play it in ranked.

I have been saying this forever.

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