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4/1 Should ALWAYS be a surrender

Luigi Tortellini··2 votes·1,535 views

Just left a game that was over as soon as it started. Their Vayne had 8 kills by 5 minutes. We voted to surrender at 15 when the score was 18-7, and we couldn't because 1 person voted no, I immediately left the game, because I live in America and would like some democracy.

Piss off Riot, don't tell us the players how to play your game. One loser should not have the power to force 4 losers to stay in a game that isn't fun. You have to realize your game design is flawed from the ground up, in that for every player having fun another player isn't. Don't just ignore it, build your game around it.

This game should work like simple democracy. If 3 people vote to surrender after 5 minutes, the game should be over, that's it. And if the surrender gets declined there should be a 15 second delay tops until the next one.

People wonder why 'luck' based BR games are siphoning players from the 'tactical' moba. It's because no matter how bad a circle is, or how bad your loot is, you will NEVER get fucked over as hard in BR as you will during champ select in league. Many games of league are literally over before they start, and Riot actually FORCES players to STAY in their game, seeming to forget what the purpose of a game is.

Look 4 years ago when I was in high school I could tolerate for this kinda stuff because I had literally 0 responsibilities. Now I have a demanding job and when I have free time I want to enjoy myself, not sit in the fountain with my team as we wait for the enemy to push to our nexus, because that's the only way to reliably surrender before 20.

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needHymn3 votes

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Hammermancer3 votes

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18-7 at 15 minutes? Winnable.

I see a lot of people quit the game at 15 minutes because the enemy team of all early/mid game champs are stomping a (Bad but still viable) comp of all late game champs

but like... you still have a nexus and waveclear so I don't see the issue with trying to hold out that 5 extra minutes, because if it looks a bit better then it shows that the tables are slowly turning

Lauchmelder3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luigi Tortellini,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HxEREQYY,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-05T14:19:04.095+0000)

One loser should not have the power to force 4 losers to stay in a game that isn't fun.

Which means they should ban your ass because that's exactly the situation you created by leaving.

Hammermancer2 votes

Ugh that's honestly stupid because i've seen so many games go the opposite way, more than a third but less than half

Honestly I always vote no,

Umio2 votes

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Ugh that's honestly stupid because i've seen so many games go the opposite way, more than a third but less than half

Honestly I always vote no,

If its ranked, always say no. At least make the enemy work for it the LP.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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If its ranked, always say no. At least make the enemy work for it the LP.

this... its like.. ok guys.. we're fucked... but... LETS GIVE THEM HELL FOR IT!!!

Hammermancer1 votes

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this... its like.. ok guys.. we're fucked... but... LETS GIVE THEM HELL FOR IT!!!

That's the proper way to be toxic.. to the enemy team and in ways that aren't direct insults

[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HxEREQYY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-05-05T15:44:42.420+0000)

Which means they should ban your ass because that's exactly the situation you created by leaving.

This

Beerstein1 votes

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Ugh that's honestly stupid because i've seen so many games go the opposite way, more than a third but less than half

Honestly I always vote no,

Yep, I've had a lot of games playing a late game champ where everyone kept trying to surrender except me, then we won. This isn't even rare. basically changing it would screw over literally everyone that plays and preps for late game.

ˆTalon2 votes

If you go into a normals game, and you have a party of four, you can surrender to troll even if you're winning. That's why I believe Ranked Flex doesn't support 4-mans. Besides, early surrender votes are for if the game is totally lost and everyone agrees that it is. Otherwise, you could still win, opposed to giving up. Yes it can be annoying when one person votes no, but is it too hard to wait five more minutes to surrender at 20?

ZephyrDrake2 votes

early surrenders requires EVERYONE to vote yes. It's an unanimous vote not a simple majority vote. The only thing you accomplished by leaving the game was having everyone report you and putting your account on the radar of the leaverbuster thing. Sorry life is too complicated for you

YOU SO BAD2 votes

This is a 2 fold problem.

  1. Being able to surrender early is a nice feature and im glad they put it into the game some games you just get out compt and beat to hard early.

  2. Being able to surrender early is a bad feature cuz i would guess 80% of the games i play people want to surrender at 15 min if they are down more then 5 kills team difference.

This leads to people being negative and having a bad attitude and losing on purpose cuz they are mad at their teammates for being stuck in a game they dont want to play. and even if they dont lose on purpose they still play way way worse do to the negative aspect of people disagreeing with them and not wanting to continue. Overall the reason the stats dont match is because when people want to surrender they are done trying.

DW Diana1 votes

They have already said they are doing this

DW Diana1 votes

Ugh that's honestly stupid because i've seen so many games go the opposite way, more than a third but less than half

Honestly I always vote no,

I've had people like that in games, but sadly the statistics don't match up with that experience. Only a small percentage actually result in a comeback because of player attitude after a bad start. Sometimes it's better to just cut your losses rather than playing about 20-30 minutes in a game with people that have already decided to lose.

Zane Zephyr1 votes

If you read into anything you would have seen that riot is going to try rolling out a 4 vote early surrender on OCE first then rolling it out everywhere else if it comes back positive.

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