I don't understand why Kalista is considered toxic

Luigi Tortellini·7/8/2019, 9:43:54 PM·16 votes·7,172 views

But Vayne is considered ok? This champion is NEVER left in a weak state. If she ever hit's a balanced state she gets buffed. She beats every single melee champ unless they're dumb like Irelia just by existing. She was op when her ult didn't reduce cd and her W was 8% and she's even worse now. Don't understand why Riot insists this cancer stays meta.

Like Yasuo if she was hard to play she wouldn't have a 50% winrate, should be closer to 45%.

Edit: I'm not saying Kalista should be viable. I'm saying Vayne does the same garbage but with true damage, hard CC, stealth, and since Season 2.

27 Comments

preternatural7/9/2019, 12:19:37 AM10 votes

because kalista is poorly designed and should never have been released.

Xavanic7/8/2019, 9:59:29 PM10 votes

immobile melee champs can still get onto vayne, with some difficulty but it's possible, try to engage a good kalista as say garen or darius or even olaf....guaranteed you will NEVER be able to without flash, on top of this, she can build up spears on your tank, land the killing blow with Q....have it hit you and then just E and boom your dead, to make matters worse, her support is usually impossible to kill

Tobykachu7/8/2019, 10:01:27 PM9 votes

It's pro play. Whenever viable she becomes 100% pick/ban.

A Sutpid Idot7/8/2019, 9:58:09 PM8 votes

I mean Kalista, if buffed will INSTANTLY become the BEST pro play adc without a doubt. Her kiting ability is way too strong.

RainXBlade7/9/2019, 3:57:05 AM5 votes

Kalista is almost untouchable to most melee champions with her auto-kiting passive. No matter how many times Riot nerfs her damage, she's going to be unfun to play against because of her stupid passive. This is why she's toxic design.

it be lìke that7/9/2019, 12:52:08 AM5 votes

kallista kites on auto and has the best ult of any adc by far to win a fight.

vayne is pretty feast or famine, half the adcs right now can poke her and push her off farm, especially sivir

heroikc7/9/2019, 1:13:33 AM4 votes

Kalista is permakiting, which is a hassle. Still, Vayne is still a hassle...but is accepted as a hypercarry of sorts.

IceKingChernobog7/9/2019, 3:14:35 AM4 votes

Kalistia is an abomination of an adc and essentially shouldn’t have left pbe with out changes to her kit. Vayne is a pain in the ass but she has no way of extending her range outside of her 550 aa range, is fairly feast or famine and can be punished through normal means.

Kalista can easily kite with each AA, has unlimited stack with her rend so far to the point where she has better secures on epic monsters than the jungler themselves, cannot punish their support, and has a stupid amount of utility and damage in her kit.

Kalista will have to need a complete overhaul to actually be a healthy champ cause she cannot be buffed with her current kit.

On My Kill List7/9/2019, 3:42:58 AM4 votes

you were not around for release kalista back when she could kite 500-600 movement speed singeds running her down to oblivion. keep in mind riot has severely nerfed her dashes multiple times over.(from distance dashed to dash frequency and dash attack speed scalings) the kalista you are seeing now is a shell of former self. kalista in her prime was basically the best adc to ever exist.

Rıots Bad Client7/9/2019, 12:22:43 AM3 votes

I dont like vayne.

I dont know why they try to slowly push this champion into "Uncounterable"

-There is no counter to %hp as true damage. -There is no counter to her invisibility. and only can Guess and possibly waste an aoe spell to maybe hit her. -There is no counter to a champion that can self peel and is very mobile. (Not the MOST mobile.)

but.. shes a short ranged adc. So other adcs counter her... till she hits level 6. Then you cant really click her but if shes top there isnt anything the top laner can do alone.. You need to gank her. as shes really good... but not 2v1 game.

PhantomPrankster7/9/2019, 12:05:09 AM3 votes

ADC who can kite by auto attacking?

yea nobody wants that shit viable.

huhndog7/9/2019, 6:21:57 PM1 votes

I agree with the others that kal is too good in proplay. Vayne should be put in the same position as kassadin where she is meant to be only to counterpick. This chick has waaaaay too much damage and is almost impossible to stop once ahead

Thefrostyviking7/8/2019, 11:36:04 PM1 votes

To be honest i dont see how Kalista is any way better than vayne either aside from the ability to bail her support out or help them engage, but that´s it.

Lot Less damage, less mobility than ulting Vayne and reliant on her bound for a lot too.

14daysuspensionk7/9/2019, 12:03:57 AM1 votes

I made a post not too long ago about a dream where a lategame Vayne had to procc silverbolts about 3 times on a Draven to kill him. Oh boy I got downvoted.

Cloud2737/9/2019, 7:34:15 AM1 votes

I think the best way to balance Kalista would be to remove the slow on rend. I'm fine with the kiting, but if she's going to be a god at kiting she shouldn't have such good cc. And even if they remove this she still has the knockup from her ult so it's not like she'll have nothing.

The Kombinator7/9/2019, 8:37:37 AM1 votes

Vayne has far less kiting ability. And her stealth is not available before 6. Even with that there are ways to track her in stealth, or even erase it with certain champions.

A good Kalista is untouchable with her passive from start. The only champ that has any chance to get her without flash is Alistar, but even that is a bit luckplay. Also her ult can be used for saving as well. Had a game with Kalista+Soraka, and she was a goddamn savior when assassin tried to get me. The key is the required skill level, and they both in the high category.

SpongebobIsLife7/9/2019, 4:56:10 AM1 votes

if we have to be honest here, it's because vayne is not that good in pro-play, whereas kalista is a God.

KSYN7/9/2019, 3:33:56 PM1 votes

Can we talk about mages? I'm ok with Vayne having their high mobility ults every team fight mid game, as long as I get a point and click half health nuke every 3 team fights or so. Tbh I feel playing Garen is more skillful than throwing skillshots around with limitless resources.