Can we look at Nasus for a sec?

x No Heart··1 votes·904 views

I'd like to go on record as saying Nasus is one of the worst offenders of just having a fairly loaded kit. Isn't his ridiculously short-single-target Wither cooldown low enough? His movement speed makes him a pain in the ass for not just the target of Wither, but the entire team. I think a lot of his invisible power can be removed just by lowering his base speed (currently tied for second-highest in the game!) so he can stay stuck on his intended target, but not make peeling nearly pointless for the rest of that target's team. I mean, come on, dude has Dead Man's Plate, builds at least 20% CDR almost every game, and usually builds Trinity Force. Obviously Akali/Jax/Hextech Gunblade and Deathfire Grasp/Leblanc are examples of balancing around unbalanced items, but regardless of the items that rack up movement speed for him at this current point in time, Nasus is fast AF. He's gonna catch up to whoever he wants with his Wither and quick feet. Hitting in this area would also probably not tip the balance of his laning too much.

EDIT: Just realized how biased I am when I thought about suggesting Renekton for movement speed buffs immediately after suggesting Nasus movement speed nerfs. Obvious top laner?

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SEKAI5 votes

I'd like to go on record as saying Nasus is one of the worst offenders of just having a fairly loaded kit.

Say whatever you want with this guy but to claim him being the "worst offenders of just having a fairly loaded kit" is outright silly.

His early is pretty garbage to the point where you can just rush him over and over pre 6. Sure in solo queue you can't really stop his farming but remember this game is not meant to be balanced around that anyway. In an organised matchup he sucks real bad.

Nasus isn't that much of a problem.

x No Heart1 votes

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Say whatever you want with this guy but to claim him being the "worst offenders of just having a fairly loaded kit" is outright silly.

His early is pretty garbage to the point where you can just rush him over and over pre 6. Sure in solo queue you can't really stop his farming but remember this game is not meant to be balanced around that anyway. In an organised matchup he sucks real bad.

Nasus isn't that much of a problem.

He's the Jinx of top lane, fuck him over all you want but he's still gonna pentakill you with two items.

EDIT: Also, for clarity, yes, he's "one of" the worst offenders. Out of the 40whatever original champions, he's one of the few remaining with a disgusting kit. Give a champion the capability to build full tank, then give him armor shred, stacking damage, lifesteal, % damage, and additional base HP on command.

SEKAI2 votes

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He's the Jinx of top lane, fuck him over all you want but he's still gonna pentakill you with two items.

Nasus is only very strong after 3-4 items in with at least 300-400+ stacks so I don't know how you'd link him with Jinx.

He rarely appears for a reason.

Not to mention even in his late game, he is still countered by Master Yi by default since his W doesn't work on him and Yi could just build BotRK to end it quick. So it's not like you don't have options to face a late game Nasus.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

I don't understand why people like OP won't allow us to talk about nerfing Fiora Riven , but yet this noob-Platinum gets to talk about nerfing a Nasus .

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x No Heart1 votes

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I don't understand why people like OP won't allow us to talk about nerfing Fiora Riven , but yet this noob-Platinum gets to talk about nerfing a Nasus .

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So clearly because I think Nasus is stupidly obnoxious, I can't think other champions need nerfing. Your smurf account (I'm assuming that's your smurf account, otherwise it's so ironic for you to point out I'm Plat this season) is in Silver, no wonder you're sick of Riven.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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So clearly because I think Nasus is stupidly obnoxious, I can't think other champions need nerfing. Your smurf account (I'm assuming that's your smurf account, otherwise it's so ironic for you to point out I'm Plat this season) is in Silver, no wonder you're sick of Riven.

Oh no no no, I'm an actual Silver. My smurf is Level 10 Garena. It's just that I hate how you high elo dopes get to trash-talk down on us whenever we complain about certain champion's kit being toxic like the two I listed, and yet you guys have some nerve to have the freedom of talking about wanting other certain champions nerfed for yourself. What's more is that some champions you guys listed were ones that even a Bronze 5 can handle with.

x No Heart1 votes

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Oh no no no, I'm an actual Silver. My smurf is Level 10 Garena. It's just that I hate how you high elo dopes get to trash-talk down on us whenever we complain about certain champion's kit being toxic like the two I listed, and yet you guys have some nerve to have the freedom of talking about wanting other certain champions nerfed for yourself. What's more is that some champions you guys listed were ones that even a Bronze 5 can handle with.

Because clearly I offended you personally.

SKG Blue1 votes

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I don't understand why people like OP won't allow us to talk about nerfing Fiora Riven , but yet this noob-Platinum gets to talk about nerfing a Nasus .

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I'm in Silver and rarely ever have a problem with a Riven. Fiora is strong, but I'm pretty sure everyone complains about that. Nasus has infinite stacking with lifesteal and tank, I'm not even gonna mention anymore because I feel that alone is enough, and I'm not high enough rank to truly understand what I'm trying to get fixed.

We can all complain about what we want, but truth be told, I don't really believe Riven is toxic at all. I think manaless champions are toxic, but that's my opinion. That doesn't mean my opinion is any more right than yours or his. This guy just probably knows the game better and has more insight on how a change can be made. For instance, I hadn't even thought about Nasus with DMP! I envisioned that and cried a little. I also wouldn't know how to fix it! I would've recommended a cap on his infinite scaling or dropping his whither time! Just a small thing that gets me through complaining sometimes. Whether you care or not, have a great day ^.^

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

Is that some sort of joke? Nasus won't reach any of his targets, he's extremely easily kited. Thats why he's terrible at teamfighting. Any semblance of peel will prevent him from reaching anyone important in fights.

x No Heart1 votes

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Is that some sort of joke? Nasus won't reach any of his targets, he's extremely easily kited. Thats why he's terrible at teamfighting. Any semblance of peel will prevent him from reaching anyone important in fights.

Except he's not that easily kited, that's either misconception or matter of opinion. Targeted CC, if the ADC gets in range of autoattacking him, he instantly cripples half of the other team's DPS. His midgame is weirdly much stronger than his lategame simply because he hits his 35% reduced cooldowns and there's no armor or magic penetration on the enemy team, plus his level 11 is crazy and kills everybody with no damage coming in on him since the mid laner doesn't have enough spell rotations or damage to chunk out his crazy passive sustain.

Great Ozymandius2 votes

Sure, he's great late game in most potential 1v1 duels versus random opponents in the roster (actually excluding most the champs that actually lane top right now, including garen, darius, an fiora).

But late game duels only rarely happen and usually mean someone (you or your opponent) made a big mistake. Teams group. In in a properly grouped teamfight, nasus will not get in range to wither the enemy adc. He will get cc'd and will be nothing more than a short-lived meat shield. Nasus is quite weak right now and his plat winrate attests to this.

Nasus has a narrow window to carry his team. First, he needs to stack very well for the first 20 minutes. He needs to hope other lanes haven't already thrown by this point or that his opponent hasn't been able to effectively roam. Then, if he has stacked to 400 by this point, he needs to dominate his opponent, get towers in his lane, and draw mid and jungler without dying, or he needs to roam and make big plays around dragon or other turrets. This is all quite difficult with him and by 30 minutes the window has closed. The enemy front-line is tanky enough an enemy carries have penetration, rendering your teamfighting crap. And the other team can quickly push down turrets in a 5v4 situation rendering split-pushing counter-productive.

When you think about it that way, Nasus' win condition is terrible. He needs to do quite well in lane (400+ stacks before 20 minutes) despite having a crappy early game, and then he has maybe 7 minutes to make something happen with it despite not having good initiation.

BluePolarizer2 votes

Nasus is actually one of the worst champions in the game.

He has a bad early and a bad late.

x No Heart1 votes

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Nasus is actually one of the worst champions in the game.

He has a bad early and a bad late.

Although he can duel Renekton at level six and win without farm.

Sasogwa1 votes

Nasus is weak atm. Try again

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