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Support's have had enough

Ash Lockheart··21 votes·1,607 views

I am so tired of the supports getting bashed. One of the biggest things I see all the time is the support getting the kill after the adc is up in farm, and has already gotten first blood. If you adc's can't get the last hit in then go back to bot games.

Another thing I see is your a awful support because you did not place enough wards. Wards are FREE!!!! Each person that upgrades there free ward with only 200g can drop 2. You don't even need to spend the 800g any more on the site stone. So the idea the the support is bad because they can only place 3 wards at a time is BS!!!!

Another thing I see a lot is your a awful support because you did not engage. Really? The supports are not the tanks, and most are not even that great as tanks. The person that should always be engaging is the tank. Not the support. Supports should be going in after the tank starts so the support can stop the adc from getting away. I mean its so sad that after so many changes there are so many players still act like nothing has changed at all.

Enough with the bashing your supports!! Its BS!! And you all wonder why players troll or dc.

26 Comments

Wickedfates7 votes

I <3 support... i dont care how salty the enemy gets, my own team gets... ill do my best, have fun doing it and try and praise you when you do well.... i dont need to hear how great i did, i dont need to see damage shielded, baits provided, doubles created, or motivation uplifted.... im the best support i can be and that means staying quiet when others might sound off.. Sona

its just what i do

WillHealForHonor1 votes

its called being a martyr.. look it up..

1000angrybees6 votes

well, to address these as best as possible, lets go bullet point format

  • This is mostly about player personality. Some dont mind sharing. Some have the 'all for adc, none for support' mentality. Personally, as long as the adc gets more kills in lane than the support, I see no problem with the support getting a couple.
  • Sightstone is actually incredibly valuable, giving squishy supports more health (and tanky supports, for that matter) and vision to make sure their carries dont get ganked from out of left field. Vision in late game is just as valuable as vision in early/mid game too.
  • Adc's should probably drop the 250 for longer lasting and one extra ward, but they're probably not going to unless they actually value their life and yours. Dont count on them doing it to help out.
  • Engaging is pretty dependent on the bot lane comp you've got, and what theyve got, and what kind of situation you're in. Tank supports, poke supports, passive supports, supports with cc, level 6, under leveled vs over leveled and vice versa.... there's a lot to consider.

and lastly,

  • People who dont acknowledge that support is an invaluable role are garbage. They dont deserve to be on a team if they cant realize that the one thing keeping them alive and getting fed is their god damned babysitter.
Bhargo1 votes

Sightstone is junk, it's purposefully kept horribly gold and slot inefficient because Riot thinks if an item is good enough for a top laner to build, it's too good for a support to build.

1000angrybees2 votes

I didnt say it didnt come without any discrepancies.

Partholonian1 votes

No, RUBY sightstone is kept horribly inefficient so supports can sit on regular sightstone for half an hour and not feel penalized for not finishing it like most items.

Regular sightstone is very gold efficient, and the slot inefficiency isn't a big deal until you have 10k+ gold, which takes a long time for supports.

AbsoluteSadman6 votes

Im so tired of seeing these posts every day even though i barely see support bashing.

Not as much as i see jungle bashing at the very least, but nah support circlejerk ftw!!

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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Im so tired of seeing these posts every day even though i barely see support bashing.

Not as much as i see jungle bashing at the very least, but nah support circlejerk ftw!!

Same here, in my game, if we win the support always gets complimented... Early this morning I played like 4 ranked games with my duo who supports, got complimented 3 of those games where as I got bashed 2 of the games I jungled.

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

If i ever see a thresh land a good hook, a leona lock down that kill, a soraka save me last second, a sona get that 5 man ult etc etc. Everyone always compliments them more than the adc (me in this case) rightfully so, since they did good. But all these posts are "I DO ALL THE WORK AND THE ADC GETS THANKED WTFFF" when this is completly untrue.

Idk, im sick of seeing supports act like they get no love even though they get more love than maybe any other role.

Martyrofsand2 votes

People keep posting about it because their is truth to it, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Hell a perfect example was a few games ago I was on thresh when a team fight was breaking out, I flayed the homeguarding Hec before he hit anyone, landed a hook on a stealthed shaco before he jumped my Talon, set up a box and lantern enabling us to briefly disengage for CDs and then reopened with a hook on the enemy ADC and a flay on 3 enemies all of this set up a quadra for Talon.

What gets said in chat by my team? "Damn Talon does your back hurt."

Did I care? No. But does it show this kind of thing exists? Yes.

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

But the amount of "ST0P BU11yING SUPPPORTZZZ" posts is dissproportiant to the amount of actual support bullying.

Martyrofsand1 votes

Eh I chalk that up to too many ppl playing support for the wrong reasons. It isn't the rols you play for the glory but still people expect/want it and when they don't get it they piss and moan about it. I tend to just ignore it and move on.

Bhargo2 votes

The major difference is everyone knows the stupid people who blame junglers when they lose their lane are stupid. Everyone just accepts that supports being second class citizens is normal and doesn't think about it.

Shield Villain4 votes

Well, it's a lot more complicated than that, isn't it? You're forgetting all the context involved with match-ups and possibly dialogue exchanged. I for one hate ADC because my performance is tied to my support, and the same in reverse. There are some things I'd like to point out though...

  1. It's only okay for a support to take a kill if it's to secure it. By definition you're the support, and you're not going to snowball off Support Sona and carry your team, unless the enemy is bad. You do little to no damage, and really only your cool downs and items will change from getting the gold from kills. It's far more efficient for the ADC to get the kill, then snowball the lane. And trust me when I say this, I've seen a really big rise in greedy supports who want kills.

  2. Warding is one of the Support's main priorities. Sure if you're ADC and your ward is off cool down, drop it somewhere. But pre-9 they won't be able to help with vision, and the trinket cool down is pretty bad. You're the support, learn to ward correctly and when to ward. I've seen a lot of supports think that warding the river was worth taking a Morgana Q or a Blitz Pull. You can argue Wards are free all day. Doesn't change the fact that pre 9 they only last 60 seconds on a 120 second cool down.

  3. You don't have to be a tank to engage, let's get that cleared up. In a laning situation (2v2) it's the support's job to initiate fights. Either by landing a lot of harass and opening up the situation of a skirmish (Sona, Lulu, Karma, Zilean, Soraka), by hard engaging with the intention of tanking (Leona, Thresh, Alistar, Braum, Blitz), or by landing a CC to incapacitate the enemy ADC (Morgana, Janna, Bard, Nami, Zyra, Lux, Fiddlesticks.) Outside of the laning phase, you can still do this and watch for enemy positioning. A Good Support doesn't have to be a tank to initiate an amazing team fight.

With that said, yes, supports get tons of shit. But that doesn't mean every complaint is just rage and misplaced anger. I've had a lot of supports refuse to get a sight stone, reducing our visibility well into the game, until I upgrade my trinket.

Also seen a lot of supports so scared to do their job, they forgot to harass, heal, ward, or even just stay in lane long enough for them to get Gold passive off my farm, last hitting cannon minions, or harassing.

Support's aren't perfect, and you should never rage at anyone in general. But again, this doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

  • Sincerely, someone who has to fill support a lot
AMYS GRAVE1 votes

I disagree with #2.

pre lv ~6 or so is the most vital time for the adc to be warding. between the supports trinket and the adcs trinket they can keep one bush perma-warded which means if the river brush isn't warded then that usually means the supports trinket is on cd and the adc isn't warding.

Transgressor3 votes

This kind of post again? Sigh...

Anidan2 votes

I'm seeing more of this type of post than of people actually bashing the support, whether on the forums or in-game. I'm starting to believe that supports aren't getting bullied as much as some would make them out to be.

I'm all for support love, but I haven't seen an actual support-bashing thread since the old forums. Even the posts you see here are usually pointing out terrible supports, not supports in general.

Transgressor2 votes

Here in EUNE supports only get bashed if they suck and/or don't ward. I don't think things are THAT different on NA, that's why I firmly believe OP is just fishing for upvotes.

Anidan2 votes

It's pretty much the same here, yeah. So your conclusion is looking like it'd be the main reason, and I'll adopt that answer as well.

Bhargo2 votes

I see support abuse in about half my games. There aren't many threads about it, but in game it's like watching a special all domestic abuse episode of Cops.

Davy Crockett2 votes

The only reason a support gets a sight stone and not a yellow trinket upgrade is so that they can provide vision and help deny vision. Period. I always upgrade my trinkets. If I'm a support, i will get a sight stone and a red trinket. I dont care what people say though. item 2049 +item 3364 =OP Support and map awareness.

Tin Tarantino2 votes

Accidentally got a triple during a gank on Sona a few days back. ADC was salty after that.

Bloodhawk951 votes

Nautilus Leona Braum Those are supports, as well as tanks, i initiate every fight when i play Naut

djjomon1 votes

I'll also take this one at a time. -Support KS'ing. It happens. The support needs gold too. Getting the first kill to get your item 2049 / item 3341 earlier is worth the kill. But after that, try to let the ADC get some kills too. They need it more in the long run. Securing kills is fine, just don't deliberately steal. -250 gold for item 3361 by the way. Still worth it, considering individual green wards are 75 gold. If you drop 4 wards after upgrading your trinket, you made your money. Keep in mind that ADC meta is to buy item 3363 however. But if they're smart, they can have item 3363 item 2044x3 item 2043 on the map at once. That's 5 wards. I've done it. But yes, all players should be warding. It's not the support's job alone. -Tanks don't have to be initiators. Supports can be tanks. Supports can initiation. Sona and Annie are squishy initiators. And most tank supports, if not all, have strong initiation tools. If the team is bitching at you to initiate, it's probably your job. -Sub point here. If you'd rather peel for your ADC, that's fine. As long as someone else can initiate. If you're the only initiation, make a choice. -Enough with the support bashing. Agreed. But it's not just supports, enough bashing in general. No one wants the salty player.

WillHealForHonor1 votes

just dont play leona and i will compliment u

Chespin20131 votes

You think you supports got it rough have you ever jungled before, its like chopping off your tongue while trying to sing "can't touch this". Oh I forgot to mention your also everyone's enemy. The minute you do one thing wrong your the reincarnation of Hitler.

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