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I think most of us can agree...

Llehctim·1/31/2017, 7:53:55 PM·29 votes·1,610 views

...that the assassin rework was not only a failure but a complete waste of time, effort and resources.

Half of them either feel no different to fight against, or are even worse than before (Kat for example). While others became total gimmicks whos kits contradict themselves (Talon).

Not to mention the fact they added delays to an assassins time-to-kill (their entire purpose) while keeping the ability to instagib people on other classes/champs (mages, Riven, Lee etc).

Ignoring the fact that the kill delay doesn't even exist for some of then (like Kat or Rengar), while others become even less fun to fight overall (Fizz, Kat), some are made weak outside of obscene burst or gimmicks (Le Blanc, Talon), some are given absurd utility while keeping burst (Kha, Rengo), while most feel the exact same when you die instantly anyway (Kat, Fizz, Kha, Rengo). And Zed seems to be the same champ he's always been.

The lack of logic actually gives me a headache. I'd love to pick the lead balancer's brain on this rework but they seem to avoid talking about it.

31 Comments

Big Lincoln1/31/2017, 7:58:29 PM8 votes

it's complete bullshit that Kat stole Talon's niche of being an assassin with a lot of AoE when she has resets and can actually reach her target without jumping over a million walls to get behind them

Edge of Daybreak1/31/2017, 7:58:18 PM8 votes

My issue with the assassin rework was that they only added delays to some of them while others still have instant damage. On top of that mages and late game adc's do your job better than you while having CC or sustain. Riot's is nerfing the surivors which we all saw coming but then they massively overbuff lethality so that Talon and Zed can function which made 0 sense because they just broke armor pen adc's again and some bruisers. Just buff the champions stop this whole nerf everyone buff everyone nonsense it's creating more problems than it's solving.

Llehctim1/31/2017, 8:28:24 PM5 votes

I really feel the change! I get 1.5 seconds of warning before balistic pussycat flies through the air and deletes a squishy in the blink of an eye... Hey wait just like before!

Im not saying assassins are OP or too weak. They're just heavily flawed and a big reason why is because of the ridiculous damage in season 7.

Lee lands one Q and i lose 80% of my hp and flash or die during a gank. Meanwhile on Talon i have to land 2 parts of a slow, telegraphed skillshot, that costs mana, then have to leap in with my only real nuke/gap closer, then auto attack with no reliable escape option. Just to do almost the damage of a generic, spammable Lee combo.

Mind boggling.

HongChongDong1/31/2017, 7:58:54 PM5 votes

I just want my fizz back.

Très Pauvre1/31/2017, 7:55:34 PM3 votes

I think the kat rework was the only one that was successful.

LankPants2/1/2017, 4:58:43 AM2 votes

I miss being able to play Akali without gimping myself and my team. Worst rework I've seen for a long time.

Raven Redeemed2/1/2017, 12:40:19 AM2 votes

Well I certainly don't agree. Before, there was literally nothing you could do if a good Katarina player got a little fed. They would play it safe until you were low enough then use her abilities and kill you faster than you could use one (and maybe proceed to kill your entire team). Now you at least know where she can go and when. And I know for sure a lot of people think she is extremely fun. Rengar was certainly overtuned, but his ult doesn't just let him go invisible and kill someone for free anymore. Leblanc was honestly my least favorite rework because I thought they could do some really cool stuff with her kit, but at least she can't instantly combo to completely dominate lane. Zed didn't change much but I was always under the opinion he is one of the healthiest assassins in the game (telegraphs his moves, takes a bit of time to kill, ult can be countered by a lot of things) despite his sometimes strong lane phase. And Talon is extremely fun to play! They put his old Q and E on the same ability so he didn't lose a gap closer (even if it is weaker to maintain his power budget). His E is any but a gimmick. Just like Taliyah, AurelionSol, or Bard non-damaging abilities, Talon's has it's uses (chasing, escaping, avoiding wards, etc.)

I haven't played against or as Khazix or Fizz enough to really comment on them yet. Some mages are supposed to insta gib people since they have to land their skill shots first and if skirmishers are killing you faster than assassins then they probably got really fed. Also, Reav3 made a post talking about most of the assassins today if you want to take a look (http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/01/dev-state-of-champion-update-january-2017/).

Arakadia2/1/2017, 1:12:01 AM2 votes

You can't say it was a complete waste of time. Itemization was updated, lethality made not so overbearing (even if its weak atm), and quite a few champions were made better. Someone like Katarina was done very nicely.

Sure it wasn't the best update, but you can't say it was all bad.

AmazoX2/1/2017, 7:38:42 AM1 votes

Mage Update was the most hilarious one where you could solo drakes at level 2 as malzahar.

Valor Bot2/1/2017, 3:05:25 AM1 votes

Agree that Rengar's kill time doesn't seem to have gone down as significantly as other Assassins. Katarina's undeniably has though, her Q missile speed does not feel nearly as quick as before, especially when you factor in the time it takes to strike the ground.

Cowseed2/1/2017, 3:21:15 AM1 votes

Have you actually just tried playing them differently? Just build health and armor and then kill shit like you usually do. I mean like, I've been having rather decent success building Akali AD/Lethality and then just throwing a deadmans in there.

420 grams2/1/2017, 3:26:49 AM1 votes

You forgot how they reworked stealth to give more counter play by removing pink wards which was the only real counter to stealth.

SlntReaper2/1/2017, 5:03:35 AM1 votes

Talon and Kat turned out great. Rest not so much.

Wait.

Both are Noxian.

RITO GUMS IS NOXIAN CONFIRM.

SlaktarTasken2/1/2017, 7:10:26 AM1 votes

I find all this crying about assassins so comical, whines about assassins getting up and personal to do their jobs when mages can do it from 800 range further, while stunlocking you for the entire duration, while actually doing it aoe, kids and their whining will never stop ruining this game.

Hueh, but durr arsesassinnnszzxfas+ifj`. RITO PLEHS!