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Analyzing Old and New LeBlanc on what is and is not working.

The Pale Woman·2/3/2018, 3:43:06 PM·14 votes·4,014 views

Analyzing LeBlanc's kit from a 1 MIL mastery LeBlanc player who has spent countless hours playing old and new LeBlanc. My initial impression of the new LeBlanc was that she wasn't an assassin anymore. The assassin update killed her and turned her game-play to a mix of Ryze and Shaco - she was still the same LeBlanc, but more of a clunky and safe burst mage. Nothing like the HighRisk/HighReward champion the old LeBlanc was.

💜 = Most Important Points.

Things that worked with the Old LeBlanc: 💜 All abilities did considerable damage on there own. 💜 A fun and fast pace kit that was easy to pick up but hard to master. 💜 Able to assassinate a target smoothly and effectively. 💜 W snapback delay made her able to be punished for poking. 💜 Excelled in killing single targets and mispositioned squishes. ◘ Relied mainly on weak auto-attacks to farm. ◘ Farmed more Champions and less minions. ◘ Shined particularly well in early game for great leads. ◘ Able to experiment with builds and can build different items depending on the match-up.

Things that did not work with the Old LeBlanc: 💜 Outdated Passive / Predictable Clone Pathing (Not a problem to the CTRL movers). 💜 Able to 2 shot enemies with no time to react. 💜 Old Sigil of Malice dealt insanely broken damage and was a point-and-click. ◘ E dealt the least amount of damage and was a skill-shot. ◘ Silence on an ability other than an ultimate was insanely broken. ◘ Not very helpful in team fights.

Things that worked about the New LeBlanc: 💜 More R options (RQ, RW, RE, RR). 💜 New waveclear makes it easier to farm at all points in the game. 💜 Ability to give others 1.5 seconds to react before they get bursted. ◘ W Speed and Range was increased and make large walls easier to jump over than before. ◘ W's return pad is easier to see for allies and enemies alike. ◘ Decently helpful in team fights.

Things that didn't work about the New LeBlanc: 💜Complete dependence on a 1.5 windup (-and 3 second cooldown) Passive to do any QUALITY burst damage. 💜 Clunky and rigid R toggle that people have complained about since PBE but never has been corrected. 💜 RR is a useless scouting ability that should be controllable or replaced by something better. 💜 Rely's on Gunblade and Lich Bane to be successful. ◘ Unbalanced kit structure. ◘ Not easily punished for poking since Q bounces off Sigil targets, she can be far away when the damage is dealt. ◘ Can damage multiple targets at a time with a Q instead of only one. ◘ Play Rate has plummeted on a once popular champion. ◘ Pratically required to play a champion that counters her to win the match-up. ◘ No longer qualifies as an assassin.

Things that worked on BOTH Iterations of LeBlanc: 💜 Very susceptible to hard CC. 💜 Feast or Famine play style. ◘ Forces opponent to by MR to survive her burst. ◘ High Mana cost, single target abilities with long cooldowns.

Things that didn't work on BOTH Iterations of LeBlanc: 💜 Old, ugly model that needs a texture update but most of all MORE BONES IN THE CAPE so it doesn't look like a stiff triangle anymore! ◘ E needs to be changed, a high mobility assassin DOES NOT need a lockdown. She should be using her dashes to catch up to people trying to flee. ◘ Both Passives are problematic, the old one is outdated and unhelpful and the new one is broken beyond repair.

[leblanc-funny]

Tell me your thoughts, and Rioters I'd love to hear from you all as well.

XOXO

The Pale Woman

7 Comments

Divewing2/3/2018, 8:59:40 PM5 votes

I like her chains thematically, so what if instead of a root it silenced or grounded?

It would keep the "bind them in chains" thing, but it's not as flat as "Stay where you are, mongrel"

On the "Clunky R toggle"; I wasn't a LeBlanc main as such (especially compared with my brother), but she was in my top 4-7, and something I'd feel fine about busting out every few games, but this change was the single reason I just could not NewBlanc. I was ready to deal with everything else, but my reaction times are not the best, and my hand-dexterity isn't much better, so this was the extra "press all the buttons" that made it unplayable (I think I've had one decent game on her since, and I still lost that one)

Valfodr2/3/2018, 7:41:44 PM4 votes

Old Leblanc didnt have delay on snapback just lower travel speed (which was one of the last nerfs to old LB).

Edit: Her W range didnt get buffs they just made the QoL buff to pass walls easier, she could always dothat but was a painfully hard. Onlt her radius got buffed from 250 to 260 (don't know if this is actually another nerf revert). And old particles pad were actually more visible in her base skin had vibrant colors.

Silence got removed lot of patches ago so I wouldn't talk about that argument either.

Old Leblanc was just as usefull in teamfights as new and also OldLB lategame was stronger.

While I do agree that RR may not be the best it's not terrible either and it's actually pretty usefull.

Old chain did more damage than new one (everya bility actually dealt more damage than new one) it's jsut the passive damage that's overloaded.

Old Leblanc unless 10/0 couldn't kill with QR but also new Leblanc can kill with QRQ+aa(and yes she can do it even without gunblade) but a 10/0 new LB can kill with just RE.

1.5 sec dealy felt bad and riot admitted it

Her mana costs aren't that high.

Every ap "forces" you to buy mr to survive and every ad "forces" to buy armor that's one useless point.

Mackaron2/3/2018, 5:48:53 PM2 votes

Really well thought out! I think you pretty much cover most of the thoughts of LeBlanc mains!

Infernal Ironic2/3/2018, 5:59:06 PM2 votes

Hi first of all well written love the hearths http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=poske (main is banned from boards for 2 days) I was first le blanc world at my peek few months ago back when I was at 450 LP (LL do it again tho)

Realisticly I would like to give you some input

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Analyzing LeBlanc's kit from a 1 MIL mastery LeBlanc player who has spent countless hours playing old and new LeBlanc. My initial impression of the new LeBlanc was that she wasn't an assassin anymore. The assassin update killed her and turned her game-play to a mix of Ryze and Shaco - she was still the same LeBlanc, but more of a clunky and safe burst mage. Nothing like the HighRisk/HighReward champion the old LeBlanc was.

💜 = Most Important Points.

Things that worked with the Old LeBlanc: 💜 All abilities did considerable damage on there own.

True. However Le blanc with rework had immense AOE spike. There was double dash + q bounce. This is why her W damage suffered (Yes to much but riot has no idea what they are doing)

💜 A fun and fast pace kit that was easy to pick up but hard to master.

Now she is harder to pick up and impossible to master unless you advice yourself with best le blancs world. However if Garen is troll pick in high elo then le blanc can be troll pick in low elo

💜 Able to assassinate a target smoothly and effectively.

She still does that. Just learn to build her (hint Lichbane and revolver can be proced twice in small timeframe (aka bursty) due to clone)

💜 W snapback delay made her able to be punished for poking.

Sorry but old LE BLANC NEVER HAD DELAY

💜 Excelled in killing single targets and mispositioned squishes.

Mispositioned? XD ugh thats a stretch Le blanc is the only champion in a game which when mastered can literaly dive 5 people kill 1 and get out You hardly had to be misspositioned to die to le blanc and this is still true to day. And this is where Le blanc power and potentional niche / toxicity lies

◘ Relied mainly on weak auto-attacks to farm.

another stretch. She would like AA>WW>AA>AA entire wave. Now she needs WQ+ 5 autos till level 9 with minion dematerializer buff

◘ Shined particularly well in early game for great leads.

Hm. This varied depending how skilled Le blanc you are. Good le blancs dont fall off easly

◘ Able to experiment with builds and can build different items depending on the match-up.

This is morely Ap itemization issue. AP itemization is garbage lets leave it at that

itemization wise Le blanc is to around 400% better. The clone lichbane and revolver interactions are lit But you do sort of have to rush those items or you are playing le blanc suboptimaly I suggest countering stuff with runes

Things that did not work with the Old LeBlanc: 💜 Outdated Passive / Predictable Clone Pathing (Not a problem to the CTRL movers).

True I felt like I was the only Le blanc world cappable of consistent passive clone juking You also had to constantly keep a though in your mind.. i ll be damaged soon my clone ll appear try to save it (thats how you mindgame)

Now everyone can juke

💜 Able to 2 shot enemies with no time to react.

She still does that download any of my games you ll see this consistently done without me being fed.

What do you mean by 2 shot? 2 abilities? Old le blanc couldnt really QR you to death...

💜 Old Sigil of Malice dealt insanely broken damage and was a point-and-click.

Yet it wasnt the most mimicked ability by best Le blancs. Best le blancs ussualy mimicked distortion

◘ E dealt the least amount of damage and was a skill-shot.

Incorrect it did more damage then Q

◘ Silence on an ability other than an ultimate was insanely broken.

Why are you talking about a silence interation of Le blanc tho.. this was way back

◘ Not very helpful in team fights.

again varries on how good le blanc you were

Things that worked about the New LeBlanc: 💜 More R options (RQ, RW, RE, RR).

True. Probably my favorite

💜 New waveclear makes it easier to farm at all points in the game.

True but then it got nerfed like 4 times till now. Its literaly the same as before now

💜 Ability to give others 1.5 seconds to react before they get bursted.

I burst people in 0.3 seconds consistently. This is true for majority tho. I suggest you picking up some tips from me

◘ W Speed and Range was increased and make large walls easier to jump over than before.

W speed should have never been increased it should go back to 1500 so that she can have higher AP ration on it I dont think her W range ever got increased but whatever

◘ W's return pad is easier to see for allies and enemies alike.

Uhm is it? never noticed

◘ Decently helpful in team fights.

Le blanc is a good temfighter when played to full potentional and thats hard.. tho

Things that didn't work about the New LeBlanc: 💜Complete dependence on a 1.5 windup (-and 3 second cooldown) Passive to do any QUALITY burst damage.

Straight up false learn to build her. Revolver > Nlr/sheen > sheen/nlr > ludens/lichbane > lichbane/ludens > proto/void >void/proto And proc clone on hits as soon as you R > Ability

For example this combo one shots in 0.3 seconds and thats being generous E>A>Q>RQ>(clone auto)>W

💜 Clunky and rigid R toggle that people have complained about since PBE but never has been corrected.

Well I have had scenarios where I RR after zhonyas while i wanted to do R>ability. Perhaps allow first cast of R in zhonyas ga etc Apart from that just push buttoms correctly. Idk if there are any bugs tho

💜 RR is a useless scouting ability that should be controllable or replaced by something better.

I cannot disagree more. Here are some tips

  1. Hold a wave with it for freeze if you are worried enemy ll burry a wave under tower (spawn it so that it walks to enemy midlaner minions ll follow)
  2. Create a freeze by slowing down an enemy wave by making sure your minions crush into tower
  3. Block skillshots like lee sin Q
  4. Send clone toplane gank botlane
  5. put clone in mid but gank bot
  6. Block skillshots. Those lee sins and zoes are still salty
  7. Number game. I stopped so many 5v4 engages because for a split second they though it was 5vs5
  8. For assassination. You ussualy send clone from one side then double dash one shot someone from other (But you gotta learn combo and proper build)

W>RW>Proto>Q (with double lichbane and revolver proc) You can use E before RW if situation fits

💜 Rely's on Gunblade and Lich Bane to be successful.

Gunblade is noob bait. Relying on items aint bad as long as Riot compensates if Lichbane ever gets removed

◘ Unbalanced kit structure.

What?

◘ Not easily punished for poking since Q bounces off Sigil targets, she can be far away when the damage is dealt.

Kinda lost here. If they move backwards after you W q LL rarely reach em

◘ Can damage multiple targets at a time with a Q instead of only one.

She could WR nuke before so yes she still has some aoe damage

◘ Play Rate has plummeted on a once popular champion.

Perhaps she is still relativly popular

◘ Pratically required to play a champion that counters her to win the match-up.

Incorrect. Just stomped a 1. kassadin world. Hint rush sheen. If you need help with any matchup ask me

I dont suggest her into aurelion tho

◘ No longer qualifies as an assassin.

She is an assassin. They can quallify her as a tomato sauce burst mage she is still an assassin. She is more of an assassin then most assassins

Things that worked on BOTH Iterations of LeBlanc: 💜 Very susceptible to hard CC. 💜 Feast or Famine play style. ◘ Forces opponent to by MR to survive her burst. ◘ High Mana cost, single target abilities with long cooldowns.

Le blanc doesnt have high mana cost. I get away with Lichbane 250 mana + cookies 160 mana + doran.

Things that didn't work on BOTH Iterations of LeBlanc: 💜 Old, ugly model that needs a texture update but most of all MORE BONES IN THE CAPE so it doesn't look like a stiff triangle anymore!

Hm I actually dont like her Cilindar its kinda to big.. but I am fine with whatever

◘ E needs to be changed, a high mobility assassin DOES NOT need a lockdown. She should be using her dashes to catch up to people trying to flee.

Laughs in Ahri.

◘ Both Passives are problematic, the old one is outdated and unhelpful and the new one is broken beyond repair.

[leblanc-funny]

Tell me your thoughts, and Rioters I'd love to hear from you all as well.

XOXO

The Pale Woman

BBBut there arent any girls on internet!!! ? explains the hearths Tho? How do you make purple hearths?

If you want I can give you my opinion on what should change. But I am fine with her not changing her to begin with given how much some champions need changes