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@riot, why hasn't shaco been addressed?

JewishVortic·7/21/2016, 8:14:46 PM·5 votes·1,523 views

I got out of what was probably the most frustrating game I've ever played out of my 3 years of playing this game. There were a number of causes, but the main one was shaco. I asked my team to cover me bc i knew shaco was gonna counterjungle me, but they didnt. And so i was left in a situation where there was NOTHING i couldve done on my own. The only conceivable counterplay to shacos level 2 counterjungle is to either ward excessively and have your teammates help you out (good luck with that in solo q), play volibear, or just die feeling like there was nothing you could've done on your own. The very idea of a champion who only exists to make people angry and contribute nothing for the rest of the game is legitimately AWFUL. He has an overloaded kit, and it's a wonder he hasn't just been either reworked or removed considering the extremely toxic gameplay he promotes. He's been despised by the community for his shit design for how many years? Please, just fix that ball of cancer we call shaco

33 Comments

CrazFight 7/21/2016, 8:16:26 PM4 votes

well at the start you said you knew shaco was going to counter jungle you and you knew how to prevent it but your team chose not to. ^Theres your problem.

LU Vanilla Rice 7/21/2016, 8:25:54 PM3 votes

As a former Shaco main, I do believe the correct response is: try chemotherapy, it helps with the cancer.

HamShinobi7/21/2016, 8:17:12 PM2 votes

If you hate him, play him. He's actually really hard to play well but are you really going to cry about Shaco when Swain is a champ, Fizz is a champ, Nasus is a champ, Vlad is a champ, Zed is a champ, Yi is a champ. Shaco is nothing compared to most champs. They need to do something about Fizz. What what going on in their heads when they made Fizz?

FiddlesOnTheRoof7/21/2016, 9:05:07 PM2 votes

Lee sin and nidalee present virtually identical level 2 issues...

MrEnder7/22/2016, 6:24:34 AM2 votes

Shaco main here and shaco is INCREDIBLY easy to deal with. Just new junglers don't know the old tricks =\ People use to know how to handle shaco easy just people have forgotten.

But here is the trick. To deal with counter jungle do this

Start blue buff (smiteless get team to give hard leash)

Run to your red (dont stop at other creeps)

On your way to red throw a ward in the bush after you pass middle lane

Make sure you save smite to last hit red (which also heals you)

Run golems smite them and kill them. (counter jungle problem solved by this)

To deal with laning shaco you just watch where he retreats to put his boxes and dont walk there dont chase him. Apply lots of pressure to him shaco is nuke damage not sustain early game so you can out trade him easy.

To deal with shaco ganks learn to hold lane (dont push your lane keep minions in the middle slightly closer to your turret if possible)

Keep a pink ward behind you if possible in lane

Shaco's like to solo dragons so keep the dragon warded when he will be level 6.

Shaco has weak tank killing abilities so bring tanks.

Do this shaco is useless and these things are EASY to do. This is why shaco needs a BUFF not a NERF shaco has a great kit that needs SLIGHTLY changed but COMPLETELY keeps the abilities. Change how boxes take damage. Make them immune to AoE. Give his clone better AI as the clone often wont attack things properly especially after targeting them with your R. Let the clone chase the enemy that killed you when you die and clone is still up like tibers does because so often you die and your clone just sits there doing nothing. Lower the damage on level 3 shiv and same damage late game but late game shorten his shiv's CD. Let boxes last longer. Lower Boxes mana cost and slightly increase shiv's mana cost. Fix the shivs passive to get rid of the RNG and just have a flat damage reduction of monsters and minions (yes and minions he needs this bad as he lacks sustain in most builds for clearing large minion waves!)

Don't touch his Q it is perfect unless you want to make it so if he gets a kill lower the CD of it by 2 seconds. (will help his team fighting)

Lugg7/21/2016, 8:41:39 PM2 votes

He is already being looked at for rework.

Rivuo7/21/2016, 8:15:51 PM1 votes

Shaco is one of those champs that you dont want on your team, but also dont want to fight.

IMO his whole kit is toxic

Invisbility in league lacks counterplay. The only thing you can really do is deep ward.

Best KhaZix Void7/22/2016, 6:35:42 AM1 votes

he's getting looked at in a few months during the assassin update

I agree with you, Shaco's one of the worst designed assassins in the game when it comes to playing against him, his Q is so overloaded it hurts physically.

Ralanr7/21/2016, 8:20:54 PM1 votes

Shaco is one of those champions that falls off. I got counter jungled early by one as Sejuani yesterday. By late game he couldn't do much of anything while I could provide so much utility and cause so much chaos.

Hyperiön7/21/2016, 8:21:45 PM1 votes

Ha. Ha. Ha. This is funny. You should be expecting him to level 2 you, so don't be predicable. He will probably start opposite side of you, and go straight to your buff waiting for you to show up. So instead of falling in his trap. counter jungle him and go to his buff. It is simple league basics on counter jungling.

Dynikus7/21/2016, 8:51:31 PM1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asntFdnQ_4Y

Rivuo7/21/2016, 9:01:15 PM1 votes

You cant say ''buy pinks'' because if you're losing lane theres virtually no point to putting a pink. The support will go into your bush everytime to check if theres a ward...

The Bearded Bard7/22/2016, 6:01:54 AM1 votes

Or, and hear me out on this one, you can learn how to defend against Shaco invades.

Here's the first way to avoid Shaco's early invades:

Step 1: Deep wards in his jungle. This lets you figure out where he's going to start. Simply stick one on whatever buff is closest to you, if he appears and puts a box down, he's going to start there, if he doesn't, he isn't.

Step 2: Start at whatever buff you think he's going to invade you at. Basically, if he starts blue, you start red. If he starts red, you start blue. Since you deep warded, you should know where he's starting, right?

And here's one that'll net you a kill most of the time:

Step 1: Save your smite and hide in a nearby bush if you think he's going to steal red. Believe it or not, Shaco's clears after his initial box nest are not fast and are not safe. He will be low from fighting your red.

Step 2: Pop out, smite steal the red, and collect that free kill.

Here's one that allows you to invade him instead:

Step 1: Break out that deep ward and find out where he's going to start.

Step 2: Start at the same buff he starts. So if he starts at his red, you start at yours.

Step 3: Enter his jungle and take whatever buff you both haven't taken yet. He will either be in your jungle doing the same to you, or he'll be coming to where you are. Either way it's a win for you because his clears are definitely slower than yours and you'll either clear his jungle faster than he clears yours or you'll be out of there by the time he gets there. If he does happen to catch you in his jungle and you're sure his team isn't close by to help, just kill him. Believe it or not, Shaco doesn't have a lot of killing power. If you survive the initial burst, chances are you're going to win the fight.