Giving singed some depth

CurtisHaley·12/17/2016, 6:18:48 PM·78 votes·2,750 views

While watching a multitude of singed players, I began to think of different ways of giving singed a bit more depth as "The Mad Chemist". We all know that his poison trail is the most iconic ability he has, but what if through the game you were able to augment the trail by purchasing black market chemicals from the shop. Early on you would have access to chemicals that say, extend the length of your chem trail, make the chem trail wider, or make the gas more toxic dealing a bit more damage. Then later in the game you would gain access to more dangerous chemicals, such as a an adhesive gas which has a natural slow on enemies, a type of gas which heals your allies who stand in the gas, or a gas that expands in size before disappearing. And my favorite idea, different caps to put on your gas tank which effect what happens when you start using your gas, or stop using your gas. -pressure cap, a cap that builds pressure inside the tank, so when you turn poison on, the poison bursts out in a circle around singed. -spark cap, a cap that lights your gas trail on fire when you cap off your gas trail.

These are just some basic Ideas, and if you really wanted to make singed a truely mad chemist. I'd love to hear other opinions on these ideas.

48 Comments

Danjeng12/17/2016, 6:43:32 PM37 votes

What if Singed has his own personal set of Potions. If Viktor has his own Hextech staff, why can't Singed get a Potion of Madness, which builds from Corruptors. Maybe, since he is the mad CHEMIST, Singed should be able to mix potions and whatnot to build into his own personal pots with special effects. That should be his passive, mixing his pots, rather than some free hp from mana.

Twitch Chat12/17/2016, 8:49:12 PM8 votes

I think that despite his simple kit singed has a tremendous amount of depth already.

Ralanr12/17/2016, 6:20:25 PM8 votes

I think we'd have to be careful in giving Singed so many different types of gas. So much versatility would be hard to balance.

Papa Slothy12/17/2016, 6:47:33 PM7 votes

singed420 (diamond proxy singed main) had the idea of giving singed his own special potion, maybe with an effect similar to corrupting or some of ur ideas

Zorvez12/18/2016, 4:14:37 AM4 votes

I think it would be neat to actually change the direction of his poison. A toggle effect if you will. I don't know if this would be a potion or part of his kit. In my mind allowing him to shoot his poison forward like a hose would give him more harass tools.(Since this would be a toggle effect you could switch it back and become that annoying tank you shouldn't chase lol),

One potential condition, it would have to have ramping mana costs though; low enough early game to not hurt his wave clear while still allowing harass and large enough late game so the enemy team has counter play.

Spoofghoul12/17/2016, 10:31:06 PM3 votes

Yess this sounds awesome

i like the cap idea's

and the gas enhancements

hell even the special potion brewing mentioned bye some of the other visitors her sounds cool

I think singed could have all of those idea's implemented

the potion could be a permanent item with upgrades and has 3 charges, with the option to add additonal potions/elixers in for different upgrades maybe with a cap of 5 additional potions and it starts from something similar to corruption potion except instead of damage it gives him speed

3 charges and refills on fountain and it would kinda function as his current ultimate where he drinks his insanity potion

It could have all kinds of wacky effects like adding in elixer of irons makes him larger when he activates it

Like 1 elixer of iron makes him larger and gives more health and tenacity 2 elixers of iron make those effects increase at 3 elixers he becomes large enough to knockback enemy champions when walking into them with an on champion cooldown ofc at 4 elixers this on champion cooldown is reduced in addition to gaining more hp and tenacity as usual and at 5 he becomes immune to displacements

he would extremely large lol

additonal effects of being larger would include a wider chem trail for example Other potions would have their own effects special effects which increase by throwing in more of them

Since this item would take up a permanent spot i think it's ok for it to have some strong power since its all temporary and it has charges , perhaps it could autofill very slowly as well but whatever im going too much into detail

He could still have the additional possibility to upgrade his poison for special effects

And the different caps could be abilities

like pressure cap could be an ability he channels similar to sion Q and then releasing a gascloud with a size depending on channel time

Another ability could be to set the gas ablaze, additionally allies like brand or annie should be able to as well for the lolz

sit kid12/17/2016, 6:24:34 PM3 votes

While this is a nice idea, it still doesn't fix his problem of being undertuned. It just gives him more options to do damage with Q (and possibly slow if you have Rylai's)

He will still just be a proxy machine after your changes, and that is still way too risky of a playstyle for compeditive (what Riot wants).

It could be cool to see the passive reworked into that and then compensate him by giving him increased health, as he just doesn't build that many mana items right now.

Swae712/18/2016, 1:27:49 AM3 votes

CAN SINGED420 SEE THIS????!!!!!

Matake12/18/2016, 1:37:09 AM2 votes

Don't chase Singed.

Auroramancer12/17/2016, 11:31:38 PM2 votes

Brilliant train of thought. I'd love to see this kind of depth supported on Singed.

HeroineSam12/18/2016, 1:20:33 AM2 votes

Oooooo idea/creativity center!

Prophet of Urgod12/18/2016, 1:28:25 AM2 votes

Wonderful idea. Really aids with the whole mad chemist.

RogueWill12/18/2016, 1:35:12 AM2 votes

To implement this you would need a second set of currency similar to GP silver coins since it woudl be different effects. Alternatively could be similar to Viktor item but then you would have to chose on a single ability per game.

Rozair12/18/2016, 2:31:04 AM2 votes

Singed really is in need of a total rework. His passive is so shitty. I mean a champion like Singed shouldnt even use mana. He should be a tank that just changes in and rams people with his shield and leaves a trail of poison behind him and around him as a bonus. The poison itself should be his passive. Either that or he needs to not be affected by unit colision.

Pæan12/18/2016, 10:04:25 PM2 votes

I would love to see some changes that make him a better jungler. At the moment he is a top lane proxy menace, and that's pretty much it.

My only worry with a rework is they will give him more mobility or gimmicks.

Though on that same note, what if his E (shield flip) was changed into a dash/charge forward then a flip at the end, instead of a point click. Imagine shen dash type mechanic.

I think the customizable potions would be awesome, and would really add some more thoughts than "should I farm top, or bot... Or all 3 in their base at level 4"?

Jinzo Torrance12/18/2016, 10:06:32 PM2 votes

Why not change his "I'll run straight at the enemy ADC and see if I can use E before I get killed" contribution to a teamfight?

EbonyBladeJ8812/18/2016, 11:19:17 PM2 votes

While it's not actually listed, I think that Singed is in line for a VGU, most likely sometime AFTER Warwick and Galio. Now, it's not confirmed by any sources at Riot, it's just my personal take on it. The ideas you list aren't bad IMO, they'd give him the versatility that he needs to be interesting in this ever-increasingly versatile champ pool, but when and if he gets a VGU, we'll see what happens to the Mad Chemist.

LSmaster1612/18/2016, 1:37:26 PM1 votes

Just an idea, but what if his poison trail lingered for a while in a dormant state after it ends and he would have some way to ignite the active and lingering poison trail on his ult for something close to a rumble ult in terms of damage.

HierosGodhead12/19/2016, 12:59:02 PM1 votes

I think that this idea has some potential, but would just be too difficult to balance around.

I had an idea of totally changing his resource from mana to his own unique resource of toxic gas. It'd work like energy, having a fixed pool through the game, but not draining quite as fast as most energy users tend to deplete their resource. Mana regen items like RoA and Seraphs would either become mostly obsolete, as they already have become in comparison to the rylais/zz'rot build, or they could have a unique interaction with his resource. Maybe it causes the gas to deplete slower, regen faster, or both.

His other moves would be like any rage users- limited only by cooldown. If it works on tryndamere, gnar, shyvana etc. then it's at least worth giving a shot on Singed, right?

Khadaver12/18/2016, 1:46:05 AM1 votes

It would be even cool if combos had new effects kinda like elementalist lux elements

6Sfool12/18/2016, 6:37:40 AM1 votes

Although I like your idea quite a bit, I'm pretty sure riot would go at it by doing a full rework.

I posted a rework idea a couple months ago that would make him more of a debuff based zoning champion. He'd get a new kit that makes his running around seem less gimmicky and awkward, but you know people hate in-depth threads. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WjkNTE7p-proposed-singed-update

dominusx12/18/2016, 12:43:07 PM1 votes

I am mad scientist it very cool sunavabitch. anime fans will get this. eks dee. i like the idea about singed tho could turn out fun