So League is a team game right riot? so why did we stop punishing those who played otherwise?

King Of Ecchi·May 26, 2017·1 votes·697 views

I just think its weird that riot labels this game as a team game but takes away the option to report people for not cooperating with their teams. Should definitely be punishing people who consistently throw games because they don't want to play with their team, just the way they want to play reguardless of the situation and in ranked that shouldn't be allowed, in norms if you're messing around with your friends than sure why not, but i think ranked is the one place this should be enforced.

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Mecha MaIphiteMay 26, 20173 votes

Because you can't really differentiate between selfish play and poor decision making/miscommunication.

dakota saturnMay 27, 20172 votes

If my choice is to either try to push as 5 or split push with a team who likes to chase the enemy Lulu through jungle with 4 missing, or a team who blows their full rotations on Alistar, or the team who can't target the enemy mage I just snared in the middle of our own team, then f it, I am split pushing the rest of the game and muting pings and chat. I don't care if you report me, I'm not going to cooperate with idiots who target tanks over the damage threats and get me killed over and over and over. I'm going to spend my resources somewhere that I can actually make progress.

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ShonjlMay 27, 20171 votes

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If my choice is to either try to push as 5 or split push with a team who likes to chase the enemy Lulu through jungle with 4 missing, or a team who blows their full rotations on Alistar, or the team who can't target the enemy mage I just snared in the middle of our own team, then f it, I am split pushing the rest of the game and muting pings and chat. I don't care if you report me, I'm not going to cooperate with idiots who target tanks over the damage threats and get me killed over and over and over. I'm going to spend my resources somewhere that I can actually make progress.

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100% this. I love being the guy that makes an amazing play, but no one follows on it. What is that? I am a Fiddlesticks that just ulted into 4 of the enemy team and they are all at less than 100 health? Mind you my team was telling me to ult in, but no, they are off getting a cloud drake or chasing that Bard through jungle. And they have the balls to say I am an idiot for going in and dying when they told me to and god forbid I expected them to back me up?

Same deal with Have me focus everything on the enemy Illaoi so she can do nothing in a teamfight, but meanwhile my team just sits in the back picking flowers as I ult in and wait til I die before realizing a fight started and wonder why they lose a 4v5. Again mind you, when your team tells you to go for x and are ready for you to do it. And Vi is easy to get fed on, so with you dying, a huge amount of your teams strength is gone. Such a great idea to let your 10/2 Vi die for no reason at all.

That is why I like jungle. If one lane is doing terrible, I will ignore them, I would rather get the 2 lanes that are smart ahead and abandon a lane than try to help the bad lane when you can tell they will be bad still even if ahead. I'd rather push top and get an inhib than go mid with my team when its clear we can't win a 5v5 and make use of the enemy being distracted. Or I would rather get that Elder dragon than group since when the 4v5 loses, at least they can't get that drg off it. Or worst come to worst, I would rather stay in jng and try to get as strong as possible if my entire team is doing bad and see if I can make a difference if I also don't go 0/8 by 20 minutes. Or I will go with my mid lane Ahri that is also strong and stick to her nonstop since we can make things happen. That is also why I will play something like or Hecarim jng instead of Ivern or Galio jng since I would rather focus on what I CAN DO than relying on my team to do anything. At least Hecarim and Vi can fight people if they come for them, and can make plays themselves. Ivern and Galio need a smart team or they do nothing. What can Ivern do if no one follows up with him? What good is a Galio if he ults in and nothing is done from it? Or even worse if they cause chaos and your team just lets you die? Heca and Vi don't need to rely on their team since they are fully capable of killing people alone, at least if I go in with either of them, I will cause chaos and kill people, or take some with me.

420 gramsMay 26, 20171 votes

Because your team doesn't always make the best calls so you make your own call.

DreadlocksMay 26, 20171 votes

Is your team holding u back from climbing xD

VerxintMay 26, 20171 votes

That particular report category was probably flooded with "This guy didn't do what I wanted" which is not what reports are for.

Shuyin178May 26, 20171 votes

I miss the days when our victories or defeats were not tied to our team's stupidity. The days where 1 good player could make or break an entire game even if their team fed.

I understand League is a team game, but at the same time making it where 4/5 of your players have to be doing good in order to do anything sucks for any game's design.

Jo0oMay 26, 20171 votes

What kind of actions would warrant punishment for "not cooperating"? Split pushing?

Anybody who has ever tried a split push strategy knows that your teammates don't always capitalize on your pressure, and if anything goes wrong, you'll often get blamed for not grouping against all reason. Surely you don't think that Riot should individually assess replays featuring split pushes to subjectively determine whether they were a legitimate strategy?

King Of EcchiMay 27, 20171 votes

Let me put it into the exact kind of spectrum that would warrant punishment, if you are an adc, and you are afk pushing bot while your team is ahead, run away when they try to group with you, tell them to leave you alone, and do not participate in a single team fight for your own single minded attitude, then you deserve to have a punishment dealt to you. Unfortunately While yes you may not be able to discern weather or not someones team is to blame or they are, you can definitely tell who the main issue was by checking the in game data, such as gold earned, kill participation, and seeing the points of the game where people died and who was in which fight. If this was a top lane standard and your team was winning then by all means, but when you're asked to group repeatedly and there's chat logs to prove it, and you can see them ignoring or refusing verbally, then they do indeed deserve a punishment for putting their own team at a disadvantage. Even if you disagree with me, if you had anyone on your team that was splitting and losing you the game because they would not group with you no matter what, you would 100% wish you could report them for not communicating and cooperating with your team then. Its really not that challenging to find out if someone is blatantly ignoring their team with all the resources available to riot, and no one can really argue that simple fact, a multi billion dollar company should be able to enforce proper game play in a ranked environment atleast that's not alot to ask for in my opinion.