Vi "buffs", are you kidding me?

FridgeD·4/3/2018, 11:18:49 PM·15 votes·13,568 views
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hi. On the PBE Vi recieved her well deserved buffs. After months of getting destroyed by legit every other jungler in the game, not having fun against meta BS like skarner and WW, she finally got "buffs". so lets look into it: Vi

Vault Breaker (Q)
    Cooldown lowered from 16/14/12/10/8 to 12/11/10/9/8
    Cost lowered from 50/60/70/80/90 to 30/45/60/75/90
Denting Blows (W) attack speed changed from 30/35/40/45/50% to 15/25/35/45/55%
Excessive Force (E)
    Ammo recharge time lowered from 14/12.5/11/9.5/8 to 12/11/10/9/8
    mana cost lowered from 40/45/50/55/60 to 30/35/40/45/50

honestly, this is a total joke. this does nothing. no, it even makes things worse than before.

  1. 2 secs lower cd on q and e does nothing on ganking and barely helps your clear.
  2. Vi had never mana issues in the jungle, esp. after tier 2 jungle item.
  3. losing 15% attack speed early game slows down your clear A LOT.

in conclusion: she got nerfed in the early game, cause noone maxes W first. well played.

Dear Riot, we Vi mains know, that you completly forgot our champion after you released Camille aka Vi 2.0, who has the bigger plays, the better utulity the better stats. Camille is legit better than Vi in everything (Top and Jungle) but jungle clear speed.

When you really nerf her last strength against Camille, you can put her on top of your GU list.

53 Comments

Riotplaytestpenguin4/4/2018, 12:33:58 AM25 votes

these are experimental changes designed to test if she can function in top lane that are separate from regular gameplay changes (read: standard buffs/nerfs to numbers)

Entheos Geon4/4/2018, 3:00:35 AM3 votes

You left out the base attack speed buff, which not only would make up for the loss on W, would make her scale harder with bonus attack speed. Her clear is going to be fine.

HalcyonDweller4/3/2018, 11:55:42 PM3 votes

I do not recall seeing anybody claim it was a buff. It's probably intended to be a net-neutral for her power levels, it's a nerf to her clear speed but they have been planning to do that to all junglers so this isn't exactly unexpected or unneeded.

ZaneShadow4/4/2018, 4:52:03 AM3 votes

Well, the goal is to help lane Vi so the buffs should do nothing for her Ganks.

My only worry is that this could nerf jungle Vi. My twin plays her a lot and the loss of attack speed and 4 early armor could be an issue. I’d recommend not changing that ability and leaving it the same. Though the off-set reduced ammo recharge could counterbalance the lost attack speed so who knows?

I feel like the post is a bit of an over reaction to some very real potential concerns. You clearly actually looked and thought about what you wrote which I do respect.

Spicy Rice4/4/2018, 2:15:22 AM2 votes

TBH, im kinda glad she is out of the meta. Playing against her felt like such horseshit, as once she hit level 6, she was pretty much guaranteed a kill, or at least would force you to use a summoner.

Because of that pressure, she wouldn't even have to gank, as the sheer thought of her coming to gank made people play extremely safe.

Granted, she isn't as strong lategame, but the overall pressure she could give up till lategame could easily tilt games in her team's favor

Jaghatai4/4/2018, 5:48:19 AM1 votes

Um not every Vi player is a jungler you know. As a Top laner - these buffs are looking pretty tasty.

Docnox4/10/2018, 1:21:41 PM1 votes

.... I max W. Sure, doing damage would be cool and all but I gave up on that a while ago. get in there, land your CC. let the laners get the kill and get back to farming so youre not drastically behind in levels.

mattognamis4/11/2018, 5:50:17 AM1 votes

Admittedly not an expert on Vi, but she has base attack speed buffs that more than cover the w "nerfs" and make her scale better with attack speed.

At least include the stats changes along with ability changes if you want to rage about something being nerfed.

Sp33d Zer04/3/2018, 11:28:06 PM1 votes

She got lower CDs on her E as well. This means she can get more auto resets. It might not help dent the blow (heh) too much, but it still gives something back.

This style looks to be more about getting through the jungle more quickly by being able to quickly spam over walls.

ScardyCat00712/9/2018, 2:02:56 AM1 votes

I just tried playing her, and now she is garbage. Way to slow and very squishy. After losing 3 games in a row 0/10. I am not going to play her for a while. Vi was one of my top 5 champions. I guess it's time to learn another one.

1v1 Terror4/4/2018, 1:54:07 AM1 votes

I used to play a lot of Vi top many seasons ago. Items for her were a lot better back then. Black cleaver gave lethality and didn't have phage passive. Bork was way stronger. GA gave much needed armor and Mr. I don't even know what would be priority to build nowadays. You want trinity to kill squishys but you want tbc to kill your lane opponent. Maybe with conquerer you can just skip Tbc all together and go trinity sterak s and titanic

SpecterVonBaren4/4/2018, 4:21:15 AM1 votes

What she needs is something to distinguish herself from other champs. Yes she has her ult and single target pick potential but she's not so good at it that it makes you think she's who you should pick for a team when there's other fighters that can do the same thing. If they really want to play up her "I don't care what's in my way I'm getting that booty." part of her then they need to make some kind of other change.

Iręlía4/4/2018, 4:31:43 AM1 votes

I think shes fine now, and shell be fine after this change.

People panic too much when it's their main.

Rathar Dashing4/4/2018, 5:14:35 AM1 votes

Vi only didn't have mana problems if you had blue buff. With this new change, she'll be much more likely to donate her blue buff to the mid/support, which is great because it also means she won't get dicked over by her allies stealing it.