Vi needs a Rework and here is why and how

FridgeD·11/22/2018, 11:24:04 PM·8 votes·5,676 views

Hi, i am FridgeD and i play LoL since the end of season 2. I main Vi since her release. I played a lot of lol in season 3-7, but more in normal draft then ranked, usually ranking in plat 5 and stopping there (not this season tho, i really needed a break after s7 and s8 wasnt that great either).

I always wanted to make a post about a Vi rework, even more after camille got released. Why does Vi need a rework?:

  1. horrible dualist: Vi gets 1vs1ed by legit every useful jungler. her kit is so straight forward on catching people, that other aspects see no light.
  2. unfair to play against: when the other team has champs like eve and ashe, then Vi becomes ganking machine without any major counter play. ult them for free gold. There is not much counter play against Vi´s ult.
  3. what is that power budget?: Vi´s power is so highly located in few parts (see point 1+2), that her power budget super inbalanced. what does Vi do? fast farming, hard bursting and ULT. her ult is her major flaw imho. it is so strong, it drains most of the power budget. even when Vi is super weak, like most of season 8, her winrate doesnt drop too hard under 50%. because winning by catching someone at 25 min always works. btw: did you know, that Vi has the highest hp reg and the second highest hp reg/lvl? ancient relics from her design as a toplaner.
  4. Camille exists: Camille is basically Vi 2.0. Aside from farming, Camille is just better at everything: dualing early, ganking, scaling, catching, ...
  5. not living up to the idea: Vi´s idea is being the vault breaker for her team, smashing people into the ground, tanking dmg, doing dmg, ... ingame Vi isnt able to deliver. she does not have a real defensive tool like the all new divers have. irelia got her q heal and w dmg reduc, camille has her passive, her w heal and her ult untargetable, ww has his passive and q heal and his e dmg reduc. Vi has a shitty shild. yes, it is really bad compared to the rest of the diver class. the only diver with this little def is j4, but his shild grows with more enemies around him and is on demand, while Vi triggers automatic with abilities used.
  6. Vi has 1 real ability until 6, her q. WW got a rework for this reason alone. people like to press buttons.

So what has to change, to make Vi a better champ, more than just discount Camille? (not played in pro since? too long!)

  1. we need to nerf/delete stuff to make room for change. there was no good in release state Reksai or Camille. This might sound crazy, but i suggest Vi cant ult until she procs denting blows on her target. also her burst should go down by a lot, to make room for utility and dps (= base dmg down for q, e and ult). her absurd hp reg isnt really needed too.
  2. add new stuff and change existing stuff. i would suggest, to turn her w and e into 1 skill. and denting blow should stack. 1 time for minions, 2 times for monster and 3 times for champions (base dmg down ofc). for her passive, i would give her a smaller shild (like 6%), but it procs everytime Vi successfully uses cc on an enemy champion or a large monster. **Vi´s Q gets a shorter charge up time and higher max range. **(same travel speed for counter play). i would add a new E: counter punch. Vi slows herself by 50/45/40/35/30% for 1 second, blocking all incoming dmg, cc and debuffs. after 1 second Vi knocks every enemy around her up (really small aoe, like 150 radius) and deals X% total AD dmg too them. (when you google "lol vi jinx" you will find an image, where Vi blocks bullets with her gauntlet. this would make a good animation) and finally there are some changes for the ult, besides less dmg and the condition to proc. **Ult has a higher travel speed and grants full ragnarok. no more stupid knock backs a lá Tris or Poppy! ** Also: WHERE IS GOD GAUNTLET VI??? (this better a legendary)

Feel free to discuss!

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19 Comments

Tahminatrix 11/22/2018, 11:42:35 PM7 votes

She feels more like she is designed to be a tank shredder who can disrupt one person on the enemy team as a way to counter followup that a tank would get.

But when you have YI who can just kill tanks without a team reliant armor shred and q + meditate for safety then well...

IcyPepper11/22/2018, 11:46:42 PM4 votes

Literally all Vi requires in a rework:

  1. Big boomy fists.
  2. Punch people.
  3. Punch people high in the sky
  4. Badass one-liners about punching
  5. A badass theme song (oh wait she already has one)
sîñ11/22/2018, 11:37:26 PM3 votes

attack speed vi is fun as fuck

Tenarin1/12/2020, 6:12:29 PM2 votes

You don't realize this, but the real issue is that Vi has been nerfed over the past couple of years. When you ask for a rework, you're just asking for Vi to get what all the others got. An OP rework so that she's completely broken for a month or however long, then a massive nerf to where she's awful and not fun to play. This happens to all my favorites: ww, kayle, pantheon, atrox, and many more. They rework them, and they make them too strong, then they nerf them out of existence because all the whiny adc's/mid's/lee sin mains get rekt and cry about it. Then you end up with a champion just as weak as before, but not as fun and higher difficulty to play. I like how Vi is (moreso how she was 2 or 3 years ago though) I made a new account after a year and a half break, and got plat in under a week (2 weeks but I was super rusty and also only played like 3 or 4 games per day so could have gotten in under a week) playing only Vi. I messed up a lot, didn't get great kda's, missed my q's like no other, but still was able to climb to plat. I am very content with this. I like that her ult isn't a damn skillshot. Some of us aren't that good at predicting where people will move to and landing our skillshots. With ww, I can't play him anymore because his ult is so hard to land. I land it about 75% of the time, but when I miss it, it tilts my team and people start harassing me. With Vi, I can miss a Q and still land ult and I really like that. If they rework her, she will have all skillshots and welp there goes my favorite champion.

I know I just sound like a baddie complaining because i'm not that great at skillshots, but a big part of it is all this movespeed stuff there is now. Every time I charge my q, people start zipping all over the damn place. Hard asf to land these days. So it's nice having the easy ult as backup. I wish they would just buff her back to how she used to be, and not rework her. I'm sure people will argue with me but this is just my opinion. Some of you may not realize how bad they nerfed her, but since I quit for a year and a half, I could REALLY feel it when I played her again. I have to apply crazy pressure to the map now and if just one enemy gets ahead of me they just destroy me. So it takes skill as a jungler to play her, more than mechanics. This is what i'm strong at so I like having a champion that isn't all mechanics, but just strong enough to where I can get ahead using map pressure and still 1v1 people because of that.

The Trent11/23/2018, 12:06:54 AM1 votes

I personally think aftershock gives Vi the tankiness she needs to be a diver, but do I think it's a good idea to make a rune 100% necessary to play a champ? No. And even if Vi has aftershock, she's still not even a good pick. Vi is just outdated and weird. I think removing the speed reduction on her q and either adding a debuff that reduces dmg taken from a specific target to her w or e could help. Or just adding a shield/ resistances buff to her R or give her shields/resistances every time she procs her w. A lot of champions can literally just out run Vi's q now. Vi is pretty much only good against older champions, because she was designed to be a vault breaker for them. Now she sucks imo.

Daddy ReTaric11/23/2018, 12:33:10 AM1 votes

She need a more interactive W and her E to feel more impactful but I would pick Vi over Camille anyday.

Rıots Bad Client11/23/2018, 8:22:04 AM1 votes

what if her E targets Knocked up champs and slams them to the ground(Lets say a talon dash range.) Applying the Aoe from her e in a circle around her instead of a Cone.