TANKS are not ASSASSINS

Enby Trsdppy·Dec 30, 2015·8 votes·631 views

In the current call of dut... i mean league of legends meta, nothing matters, every champion deals a ton of damage, the juggernauts still dont die, towers do nothing. its a giant mess, aka call of duty.

In league of legends, structures used to be a threat, they used to be an objective that you had to work for. Now if you win lane for the first 10 minutes of the game, you have their turret and for the rest of the game, they are playing from the far behind. they cant get anywhere cuz they just die when they try to do anything because every champion deals too much damage.

we can fix the bullshit by making towers more effective and by making tanks not deal as much damage as the adc. learn to balance the game please

18 Comments

EndlessSorcererDec 30, 20159 votes

TANKS are not ASSASSINS

But squishies are squishy.

If you only have base defenses, why shouldn't you be blown up by base damages?

Tanks deal nowhere close to as much damage as an ADC.

They may appear to deal a similar amount of damage because tanks deal primarily AOE damage to targets with low resistances and survive a long time in fights while squishy champions are often single-target, hitting the enemy tanks and fighters, and tend to get blown up.

LankPantsDec 30, 20159 votes

TANKS are not ASSASSINS

You're right, tanks lack the damage to kill tanks in any less time than an eternity. They can generally kill squishy champs, since they have no real defences they tend to die to just bases.

ADC's can kill tanks. That's the big difference between their damage outputs.

A Miss FortuneDec 30, 20151 votes

Unless you're Darius who still for some reason has 25% armor penetration and a true damage nuke.

LankPantsDec 31, 20152 votes

Darius isn't a tank. He's a fighter (or "Juggernaut" if you prefer).

IcyPepperDec 31, 20153 votes

Darius isn't a tank... you should know this, since you just mentioned one of his passives and his ultimate.

His Q does damage (and sustain), his W is damage, his E passively increases his damage and brings opponents in range of his QWR, his R is a nuke, and his passive deals damage.

His entire kit is about damage. He can't stun people. He can't permaslow entire teams. He can't knock-up entire teams.

And that's why he's not a tank.

A Miss FortuneDec 31, 20151 votes

Anyone is a tank if they build like it, and while some champions are inherently tankier than others it isn't a significant difference. Most ADCs only have 300 - 400 less base health than Alistar, who has the highest base health in the game and most ADCs only have about 25 less base armor than Rammus who has the most base armor in the game.

When a champion (be it Darius or a Janna for all I care) builds 5 pure tank items and then a Black Cleaver, I'm gonna call them a tank because that's what they are regardless of what their kit is. Sure if the enemy Vayne builds 6 Warmogs she's still a "Marksman" but when she's coming at you with 4,000 health and 250 AR/MR I'm not going to say she's not a super beefy tank. If you're going to define a tank by crowd control or utility as you mentioned previously, then with that logic Zyra (one of the squishy champions in the game) is a godly tank.

Darius's entire kit is about damage true, and that's where Riot went wrong. He has so much damage stuffed into his kit that building more than Black Cleaver is usually a bad idea. He has so much free damage that investing in anymore is a waste as he can abuse the tankiness of items much more and with things like Deadman's and Black Cleaver it also becomes a lot more difficult to kite him.

Very Hard EngageDec 30, 20156 votes

and assassins shouldn't be able to solo kill mix'd built tanks.

nowadays it seems unless you itemized totally against the AD assassin he still wins the fight anyway.

DreadlocksDec 30, 20155 votes

You are right, tanks are not assassins. Glad we cleared that up.

RalanrDec 30, 20153 votes

I was worried for a second. If tanks were assassins, what did that make assassins? Supports?

DreadlocksDec 30, 20153 votes

Idk man, its very possible.. Lets ask Trsdppy he seems to understand the game quite well :)

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20154 votes

The reverse should also be true; stop giving assassins defense, so that they die from their stupidity.

NekusenDec 30, 20152 votes

make turrets do %HP true damage, solved

fééd l0rdDec 30, 20152 votes

{quoted}

make turrets do %HP true damage, solved

WTF?

LeadpaintchipsDec 30, 20151 votes

only if you actually make tanks able to last more than a full ability rotation in a team fight.

Enby TrsdppyDec 30, 20151 votes

Yes, squishies are still squishy, that makes sense, however, what doesnt make sense is when a trundle can go up to a turret and wreck it because the turret does nothing and the tank has too much attack. this isnt trundle specific, just an example this game has gone to shit

LankPantsDec 30, 20153 votes

That's not a problem with tanks, it's a problem with turrets.

Turrets need about an extra 30-50 armour and MR and their damage ramp against champs needs to be increased.

what doesnt make sense is when a trundle can go up to a turret and wreck it because the turret does nothing and the tank has too much attack.

Trundle isn't a tank, he's a bruiser. If any class is going to be able to do this to towers it's going to be bruisers since they have high durability with decent damage.

EndlessSorcererDec 30, 20151 votes

Trundle is a fighter, not a tank.

Fighters are primarily damage oriented.

Tanks are primarily utility/CC-oriented.

TheDeviceDec 30, 20151 votes

I think you might be confusing the argument a bit.

I can't imagine seeing any full-built assassin doing less damage than a full built tank.

If you show me that its possible then I'd agree with your argument. Until then I doubt you're side of the argument is going to stick.

Look at Tahm kench for example. Tahm cant really just delete a carry in .3 seconds lol. It takes some time and he has to keep up with the adc. But nobody would disagree that when he gets his way with a champ, he's going to do insane damage.

This is the real difference between tanks, jugs, assassins, adc's, etc; their roles aka their playstyle. Not specifically damage. Yes, any assassin will most likely be doing incredible damage with more success rate on killing a squishy. Thais their role. Damage is not entirely what defines them. Tanks can do considerable amount of damage when positioned correctly, if they're ahead, AND especially if they're building towards damage.

TL;DR Think of all the anti-tank champions.. none of them are really burst assassins. The anti-tanks are some mages, ADC, or AD fighters/assassins. Champs who can sustain damage. But bust assassins (talon, zed, lb, etc) are all good at killing the anti-tanks. See what im saying here?