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fuck the early game meta

Enby Trsdppy··94 votes·4,548 views

right now the meta is strong in favor of early game champs dominating the game in the first 10 minutes. i main late game champions like veigar and sion. Im good enough to not lose lane most of the time with the late game champs, but then my team can never hold out past 30 minutes. we always have someone who loses lane then the team gets all depressed that we have no champs meanwhile i always scale AMAZINGLY the later the game goes. this early game meta is shutting out late game champions so hard that we are basically useless. It feels like the only games i win are the ones were i get fed before the mid game. and im not sure if anyone knows this, but games should not be dependent on the late game champ winning early. Short games are not fun. Please dont just cater to the crowd who only has enough of an attention span for 15 minute games. FUCK!

116 Comments

Doodlzzz33 votes

I miss the days when the first 10 minutes of the game were just farming and maybe a little bit of harass

TheSingularity14 votes

Was so chill. Throw out some banter, tea bag or dance with each other. Recall and clash like neva b4

Need Gold 4 Tent3 votes

Then Irelia got nerfed

muted team chat17 votes

As a jungler I feel your pain.

MAGA MAN X 202015 votes

I get so tilted when people flame me for not ganking their lane as they go like 0-3 in the first 5 minutes. Especially on champs like Sejuani that have a relatively slow early game.

TheSingularity12 votes

We've all been there. Half way through gromp (2nd camp) bot dies double kill. Let ur imagination run wild as to what came next.

We just gotta go with the flow and mute dem silly people with pewny willy's

RainbowIcee4 votes

I hate it when i'm jg and they're pushing to the point of being in tower range and then get ganked and are like omg "jg is so useless not ganking" even worse when your whole team is doing it early game when there's like no wards.

MAGA MAN X 20202 votes

Oh for real. Like they think you're going to tower dive when all you have is a pot and a starter jg item.

muted team chat5 votes

check op.gg for each one of your laners while the game is loading (or ideally in champ select) and focus your ganks on people playing champs with +60% winrates. It would probably be enough to go up a few tiers.

ExceIIency2 votes

I think this is the right way to play jungle in low elo too

Funkin Dunkin2 votes

Sej has a pretty good early gank now as long as you don't take too much damage in the jungle. Typically if a lane is shoved lvl 3 gank is pretty reliable.

Anags16 votes

Sion hasn't been a late game champ in a long long time. You need to win lane or affect other parts of the map mid game with him.

Enby Trsdppy2 votes

sion is teamfight as fuck and infinitely scaling, how is he not late game? yeah he can push lane hard, but that isn't exactly the same thing as winning the early game and helping the team. usually you cant actually push their tower down until 20 minutes if they are competent. and you have to be really good with your Qs to win most match ups. a mid skill level sion player will have hard time against a darius. heimer, camile etc. im good enough to beat most of my lanes, but you shouldnt have to be gold V to win lane on an "early game champ"

King of Mongoose8 votes

early game you actually do damage and can bully your opponent

late game ur a q bot

GULAG 4 U2 votes

You mean ult bot?

Troll for Trump11 votes

Feels like the opposite. Win lane hard, every other lane loses or fks up, and they outscale, no matter how hard I try to help the other lanes. Win early, still lose game, basically.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Are u à toplaner ?

Troll for Trump1 votes

Yep.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

I know this feeling bro... Botlane decide if u win or not [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

OMGSoAnnoying9 votes

No doubt. It's also annoying as hell when your team just gives up even when the game is close.

IMO, you should not surrender unless ALL of the following are true:

  1. You're down at least five turrets' difference, with one of those being an inhibitor turret. So long as your base is intact, you always have a chance. The throws are real.
  2. Your team has no tank, but the enemy team does.
  3. You don't have any infinite scalers on your team. Nasus and Veigar in particular -- eventually you become either a pubstomping raid boss or you press W and get a triple kill.
  4. Your team is down at least 20-30 kills, and has lost the ability to farm, even under turret.
  5. You have not gotten any of their inhibitor turrets. If you've cracked their base, you always have a chance because you can stall and it only takes ONE fight.

I've had at least two games in the past few days where we were being stomped early, and it got to the point where we lost both nexus turrets. However, we played defense, fought smart, and got our inhibitors back. At that point we stalled the games out to the 40 minute mark, got the teamfight we needed and won.

Pater Gascoigne6 votes

I know its an unpopular opinion, but I prefer it to the 20 minutes in lane farm games we had previously. It's got nothing to do with attention span, that's such an insult. I play this game for it's PvP and not for it's PvE.

idontgiveabother5 votes

I can't be the only one that enjoys farming for 10-15 minutes before it turns into the hunger games right? I'd rather stand a chance... I dunno if its just a lower elo thing (I'm in low plat, so low enough I suppose), but people just don't give a shit about cs or anything other than killing people. It really pisses me off because of what I said earlier, I enjoy being able to farm and stand a chance rather than getting run over in 5-10 minutes.

Diamond Key14 votes

I personally have always preferred 45-60 minute games because they always seem so close and winning them feels so good.

Enby Trsdppy3 votes

THIS IS WHY LATE GAME CHAMPS NEED TO BE VIABLE. THE LATE GAME POWER STRUGGLE IS MORE FUN THAN THE "WHO CAN 4 MAN BOT BETTER BEFORE 10 MINUTES?"

Hyrum Graff4 votes

I have lvl 6 on both of those champs; Sion is more of an early/mid game champ, tbh.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

I wouldn't say early but mid and late of the mid game

Glory ln Death2 votes

No, his base damage gives him a pretty strong early game. Mid game, he's strong because of how well he can enable his team.

Toru Itai3 votes

as sad as it is, new sion is an early/mid game champ old Sion was a better late game champ than the new one.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Sion is old news for lategame tanks, Cho is the new overlord.

And no game will end before 20 unless everyone wants it, and if they still want to surrender 5 minutes later then things are probably really bad.

It´s how my games have played out at least, i won't be surprised about other cases existing but it´s no wonder people will want to jump the ship if they think it's sinking.

Skill can be measured in how good the players are are at judging how quickly the mentioned ship is sinking and if anything can be done to patch the holes.

r4ndomkill2 votes

well 20 min games are rare but not nonexistent. i won recently at 16 minutes with aatrox and we went all the way to nexus.

Enby Trsdppy2 votes

"a game being over before 20 minutes" doesnt necessarily mean that the nexus explodes before 19:59, it means that before the mid game is even started, the death spiral of the losing team is beyond out of control and the game is decided

salty testi2 votes

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Just Blame Jenny2 votes

Hate to nitpick, but scaling runes aren't at all worthless. They're niche.

If you're laning top against a Riven, for instance, and the enemy jungler is a Graves -- you're not going to need MR early. However, it may prove useful once mid-late game hits, and suddenly you're dealing with the enemy Veigar. In these cases, scaling runes are more optimal, because they're every bit as relevant as standard runes when you actually need them, but only grow stronger from there.

salty testi1 votes

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Just Blame Jenny1 votes

True enough. I have multiple rune configurations for my main roles, and then generics to fit virtually anything else in the event I have to fill. Certainly, with a 20 page limit, it's impossible to fill every niche for every role.

I'd ask Riot why the heck we've a 20 page limit when it actually matters, but with the rune update coming, I suppose it's irrelevant.

Enby Trsdppy2 votes

i know, THATS THE PROBLEM! thats why i made this thread, to tell riot to fix it. the dirrection of the game is awful and im telling riot i dont like it

50Shades0fTrynda2 votes

finnaly someone spoke about that , saving me from writing ... ty ty ty :D

Embertine2 votes

I made a post complaining about it last year. Nobody cared that matches which were supposed to be 45-60 minutes were only lasting 15-25 minutes. It's only become more noticable since Riot seems to be pushing for shorter matches with nerfs to items that make tanks viable.

SparksFFF2 votes

#makekoggreatagain

Truly Prideful2 votes

Basically the reason I'm not playing as often right now. Everyone picks early game champions and whoever is behind by 20 minutes just wants to surrender. It's a real shame, my favorite part of mobas are lategame teamfights.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

God forbid there's a way to end games before Late game champions come into their zone. I actually like people actually having to play Safe with Late game scaling champs, instead of them attempting to go early game aggro, knowing that they're garen-teed their late game power, so it doesn't matter if they mess up.

By playing a Late game champ, you're acknowledging the fact that you chose to put yourself at a disadvantage compared to other champions. If you want your late game, earn it just like the early game aggro champs earn their victories, by playing accordingly to their time of strength.

Lauchmelder2 votes

There's a difference between building a comp that can end the game before lategame champs get powerful and lategame not happening at all/once in a blue moon.

Lategame champs should be viable. Right now they are not.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Because the way the game is built will nearly always favor early comps, isn't it quite obvious?

As long as the current champs are strong, as long as the towers are so weak and as long as there are such powerful objectives available (Heralds&dragons) you´ll always stand a huge risk when choosing a lategame champ, because any team that yields too many objectives will naturally face an uphill struggle.

Lauchmelder2 votes

Exactly. That just means that lategame champions aren't viable any more, and that shouldn't be the case.

Earlygame champions should be strong earlygame but it should be harder to win the game off of it.

Minimum should be that lategame champions get their #EGF at least half of all games played.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Ah i was unclear, well to explain.

No.

Early game champs played well should always beat careless lategame champs. Because that´s the danger of playing lategame champs.

You get to have amazing power that is nearly unstoppable (like Twitch ult ) but in exhange a huge weakness is needed.

That weakness is exactly the early game and all the treasures found there.

So to speak, a lategame champ needs to be played exceptionally well to not lose out too much early least the game become irrecoverable, it's only because they have a weakness like this that their amazing lategame can be allowed to exist.

And thus naturally, early game champions will have the power to snowball out and end early.

If you personally lose out so hard that you cant recover then you´ve just played poorly, if your team collapses then your team has been doing poorly, because those early game fellows wouldn't be so strong otherwise.

Early game champs are exactly as their name implies, amazing early, but after that they will grow weaker or their strength will gain more conditions.

Lategame champs simply have the conditions of having the skill requirement to make it past the early and midgame, if this is done well then congratulations your team will have an amazingly powerful champ available that will outperform any counterpart on the enemy team as long as that isn't also a lategame one.

And for your Twitch....he currently sits on a 54% winrate and 14% playrate on OP.GG being the highest ADC in terms of winrate and the 5th most played.

He is quite amazing you know? The only ones who are close are EZ who's winrate is currently terrible and Cait who instead has a ridiculous amount of players.

Then also somehow, Ashe which i don't understand at all, maybe it's her charisma seeing how she actually loses most games against twitch the other bigshot ADC's.

Actually, i looked through a number and apparently even caitlyn has a negative winrate against twitch, his apparent weaknesses are instead Draven and miss fortune.

....Damm Twitch is actually OP according to all these statistics....

AninLegions7771 votes

And yet people complain about Yasuo. A fudging late game champ.

Lauchmelder3 votes

Yasuo is everything. Earlygame, midgame AND lategame.

Tallest Veigar1 votes

I actually don't find a problem with the early game meta (I also main late game champs), if anything you gotta start helping your team mates by roaming and such. Its not always Riot's fault.

Enby Trsdppy2 votes

late game champs arent really viable. do roam a lot on veigar once i hit 6, but i also only really do good on veig because im really good at him. i can win/ freeze lane against most champs with only a few real problem champs. i cant imagine trying to play a late game champ without being amazing at the game

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