i got a game today where i snowballed early as vi. i was 4/0/1 and wanted to def botlane. this botlane was pushed buy a shyvanna who was 2/1/0 and just just had bloodrazer. i got trinity. level was even cause she farmed during my ganks. and she killed me.
i was surprised and asked in all-chat if shyv is broken. then some of their team and one of mine responded that vi is broken atm and not shyv.
i cannot believe this.
any opinions?
Laura ß4 votesPress the Attack
Linna Excel1 votesI think that's some of it. Bloodrazor helps a lot there.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesVi seems pretty balanced for me, she just sits slightly above 50% winrate.
Shyvana seems a bit too strong at the moment in my opinion, her winrate is 53%. The most likely reason for this is that she benefits extremely well from the Precision runes. She basically gets everything she wants. 18% bonus AS for her on-hit damage, extra tenacity, extra AD after blowing up a squishy.
But most importantly: Shyvana synergizes too well with Press the Attack. She is able to proc it instantly. She just has to AA + Q, her Q counts as 2 auto attacks and is an AA reset. Add that she is harder to peel than before thanks to tenacity and her ult dash, she is able to reliably murder squishies and keep going,
They probably have to nerf her damage a bit.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesThe problem is that Shyvana is able to utilise Press the Attack much more efficiently than many other champions, since she can proc it instantly.
Other champions with AA reset are not able to do that, since their AA still just counts once.
They will probably nerf Press the Attack and we have to see where this puts Shyvana then. But she has an unique interaction with that keystone and if adjusting PtA on a fair level for most champs still leaves her overperforming, they have to nerf her instead.
Zane Zephyr1 votesThey already have hit her Q a bit
Chembaron Yamada2 votesWhen and how? I didn't notice any changes.
Zane Zephyr2 votesApologies, they lowered her base AD by 3 to gimp her early clears a bit.
VelvetCrotch1 votesthank you for the insight. makes much more sense this way tbh. hope shyv will get some tweaks too even press the attack will get nerfed.
Red Wreckage2 votesI find both of them super hot. need threesome [sg-lux]
VelvetCrotch1 votes<.<
Linna Excel2 votesIn general I think neither are broken.
VelvetCrotch1 votesthank you, sir. didnt know she is a counter to vi. very good explanations. (tbh in this game, i tried to build her (vi) more dps ^^) but i forgot shyv's synergy with W and E. >.<
what i forgot to mention was, she was already half hp and i was full life. but if bloodrazor counters trinity.... didnt know that tbh.
Lighten1 votesBoth are doing well currently.
EternalShock1 votesDamage is really high so if u snowball on vi or shyvana u get pretty strong . Then again ur playing vi and shyvana so if u don’t get free kills ur going to be useless late game
VelvetCrotch1 votesi know that already but you can still build tanky lategame like e.g. a renek.
meowwow71 votesdepends how many drakes did she have and did anybody use challenging smite and if she lands her e on you don't try to duel her
VelvetCrotch1 votesat this time she got, i think, none. (i guess it was clown drake) i did three. (ocean, infernal and - i think - mountain)
chipndip11 votesVi is a pretty shit champ if you ask me. Notice how we don't have very many champs left in the game where a basic spell slot is wasted on a passive.
The ones that do have this tend to be bad champs. This is Vi.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesNot true in my opinion. Look at Kled, he is another champion with a skill slot dedicated to a passive and before the rune changes, he was a great example of a balanced champion since release.
He was neither too strong, nor too weak, he was just right.
Granted, the rune changes left him a bit weak, but that has nothing to do with his passive ability. A small buff will help him out.
chipndip11 votesNot true in my opinion. Look at Kled, he is another champion with a skill slot dedicated to a passive and before the rune changes, he was a great example of a balanced champion since release.
He was neither too strong, nor too weak, he was just right.
Granted, the rune changes left him a bit weak, but that has nothing to do with his passive ability. A small buff will help him out.
Kled's W isn't a passive. It's a toggle you can't choose when to activate. It isn't just some neat set of numbers or effects to what you do. It's actually a move...you just don't get to control when you use it (to reinforce Kled's ballistic nature in his game play).
Chembaron Yamada3 votesThat's how you define it. In my definition, it is a passive with cooldown.
VelvetCrotch1 voteslol. Vayne???
