Consider the fact that every champion in League of Legends (and I mean every!) has carry potential. One game where Vladimir carried does not mean he is broken, but rather, he did well that game as opposed to the several other games he did not do well.
If Miss Fortune carries most of the games she's put in, it's a fair argument that she may be unbalanced. But if Lulu wins one or two, it's unreasonable to say she's likewise.
Thank you, that will be all.
Elite4Runner6 votesI always get annoyed when people make a post about a champion being unbalanced and don't give any explanation at all.
Then they don't give any example of what could potentially be done about it.
They are literally just saying, "I just got my ass handed to me recently, so the game must be broken."
Ralanr1 votesOr when their solution is to gut them.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesI always get annoyed when people make a post about a champion being unbalanced and don't give any explanation at all.
Then they don't give any example of what could potentially be done about it.
They are literally just saying, "I just got my ass handed to me recently, so the game must be broken."
My explanation against Darius has always been model size.
My explanation against Illaoi is her E is too punishing, you shouldn't be punished for going a mile away and breaking the link, why should I get debuffed for doing the correct action to getting grabbed? -_- Basically means you can't do shit for the next 10-20 seconds, and then her E's back up again. It's not fun for either player, since Illaoi doesn't really get to fight anything, and kinda just has to farm, while the debuffed player walks back and forth behind their minions and dodges tentacles.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesIf you leaving the zone nullifies all the effects of the E, then it is worthless. If Illaoi lands a slow-moving high cooldown skillshot on you that also can't pass through minions, of course there will be a negative effect. The counterplay is to turn around and face her because if she focuses on the spirit instead of you, she will not only lose a trade but lose the spirit, since its duration is lowered every time you damage her.
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-02T21:38:04.578+0000)
If you leaving the zone nullifies all the effects of the E, then it is worthless. If Illaoi lands a slow-moving high cooldown skillshot on you that also can't pass through minions, of course there will be a negative effect. The counterplay is to turn around and face her because if she focuses on the spirit instead of you, she will not only lose a trade but lose the spirit, since its duration is lowered every time you damage her.
Huh, I actually forgot about that last part.
Problem with that, of course, is that tentacles hitting the spirit will also probably hit you.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesThe pull itself does no damage, and Illaoi unless ridiculously fed cannot solo kill a spirit without a tentacle anymore than she can solo kill her enemy without some. You will take a fraction of the damage the tentacle deals if it strike your spirit.
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T22:28:58.620+0000)
The pull itself does no damage, and Illaoi unless ridiculously fed cannot solo kill a spirit without a tentacle anymore than she can solo kill her enemy without some. You will take a fraction of the damage the tentacle deals if it strike your spirit.
Early game, if she has multiple tentacles set up, she can easily 100-0 the spirit, especially if it's already low. Hell, early game, Illaoi can easily 100-0 her laner with 2 tentacles set up, if they don't dodge the hits (which the spirit can't).
Late game... what is the counterplay lmao. If you go in your team will be fucked by the extra tentacle hits (during her ult or something, don't tentacles auto target spirits? not sure, just know that i've seen her tentacles hit 2 or maybe even 3 times in a row), and if you get out, well, 4v5 or your team will be fucked by the extra tentacle hits on you.
I've seen an Illaoi who was doing moderately 100-0 a Twitch with E+ult+W the spirit. That's cuz the tentacle spawns perpendicular to her, right behind her target, and so the Twitch was rapidly hit 2-3 times by a tentacle targeting the spirit.
THE RlVER KlNG2 votesHave you ever even played as Illaoi?
Best case scenario, implying early game is anywhere before she hits level 6, her passive has a ~ 20 second cooldown between Tentacle spawns. Tentacles cannot spawn close to one another, so your spirit will rarely, if ever, be hit by more than two tentacles at one, unless Illaoi has hit more than three people with her ultimate, which is your team's fault and is displays poor positioning by your backline.
Late game, you do the same thing you always do vs. the ability. If you can fight her than do so, or in the very least jump in and engage the teamfight, since you are obviously the tank who is standing in front of your squishies to protect them from Illaoi's E, right? If your minions weren't already doing that for you. If you are a squishy, and you get hit, then you deserve to be punished because that is bad positioning. I always treat Illaoi E as I would a hook.
Ok....? That's a lame anecdote. You're complaining that a lone ADC can't beat a Juggernaut who is on them? I've seen feeding Twitches shit all over Juggernauts by virtue of how dumb Twitch is. Your anecdote also makes zero sense. If she is in melee range of a Twitch, then that Twitch is bad and deserves to die (or he could just press Q and run away, since its pretty much a free escape now that they reduced the delay drastically). If she hits a ranged E, and then ults, she'll spawn a grand total of one Tentacle from the spirit. News flash, Tentacles can only spawn on terrain, so in order for a Tentacle to spawn Twitch would have to be standing perpendicular to Illaoi as well. Another PSA: Tentacles can only hit a Spirit/Vessel once respectively. I highly doubt that this ever happened - there are a multitude of factors that are highly unlikely to ever line up in accordance with each other, and most of them also require that Twitch is alone, can't press Q, and is an idiot, and thus he deserves to die to her. Another reason that this is unlikely is that a lategame Twitch will facetank anyone with his ult on and lifesteal.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-03T00:09:52.317+0000)
Have you ever even played as Illaoi?
Best case scenario, implying early game is anywhere before she hits level 6, her passive has a ~ 20 second cooldown between Tentacle spawns. Tentacles cannot spawn close to one another, so your spirit will rarely, if ever, be hit by more than two tentacles at one, unless Illaoi has hit more than three people with her ultimate, which is your team's fault and is displays poor positioning by your backline.
Late game, you do the same thing you always do vs. the ability. If you can fight her than do so, or in the very least jump in and engage the teamfight, since you are obviously the tank who is standing in front of your squishies to protect them from Illaoi's E, right? If your minions weren't already doing that for you. If you are a squishy, and you get hit, then you deserve to be punished because that is bad positioning. I always treat Illaoi E as I would a hook.
Ok....? That's a lame anecdote. You're complaining that a lone ADC can't beat a Juggernaut who is on them? I've seen feeding Twitches shit all over Juggernauts by virtue of how dumb Twitch is. Your anecdote also makes zero sense. If she is in melee range of a Twitch, then that Twitch is bad and deserves to die (or he could just press Q and run away, since its pretty much a free escape now that they reduced the delay drastically). If she hits a ranged E, and then ults, she'll spawn a grand total of one Tentacle from the spirit. News flash, Tentacles can only spawn on terrain, so in order for a Tentacle to spawn Twitch would have to be standing perpendicular to Illaoi as well. Another PSA: Tentacles can only hit a Spirit/Vessel once respectively. I highly doubt that this ever happened - there are a multitude of factors that are highly unlikely to ever line up in accordance with each other, and most of them also require that Twitch is alone, can't press Q, and is an idiot, and thus he deserves to die to her. Another reason that this is unlikely is that a lategame Twitch will facetank anyone with his ult on and lifesteal.
1st point is untrue, I've played against about 3-4 Illaois in the past 2 days. They're usually 2 tentacles on each side of the lane, and if she stands in the middle she can easily hit it, and going in is incredibly difficult, due to her immediately W'ing the spirit, so you gotta dodge the tentacle as you go in, which can be near impossible without screwing up your engage.
It was just a weird strategy I'd seen, which worked, twice, surprisingly. (E'ing then ulting) Ult tentacles can spawn on the ground, because they're always perpendicular from Illaoi...
Pretty sure Tentacles hit spirits/vessels multiple times. Did you account for Illaoi W'ing to them?
THE RlVER KlNG2 votes1st point is most certainly true, you are heavily biased against this champion and I'm not going to preach to an empty congregation.
E-ing then ulting is useless unless there are other champions within the effect. This is a widely accepted fact about Illaoi.
Unless directed, Tentacles strike a target once. W will cause them to strike again, but you have to stand still or move in a predictable pattern in order to be hit - they are dreadfully slow.
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-03T00:55:52.175+0000)
1st point is most certainly true, you are heavily biased against this champion and I'm not going to preach to an empty congregation.
E-ing then ulting is useless unless there are other champions within the effect. This is a widely accepted fact about Illaoi.
Unless directed, Tentacles strike a target once. W will cause them to strike again, but you have to stand still or move in a predictable pattern in order to be hit - they are dreadfully slow.
I'm really not that heavily biased - out of those 3-4 Illaoi games, I won my lane in... 3-4 of them. I don't think she's op, just that her E is frustrating and not fun.
Again, that was mostly just something I found hilarious.
'they are dreadfully slow' Not during her ult. Which is another thing which... I don't think should change, actually. Gives her more consistency so she isn't broken against tanks who can't dodge it, and not complete trash against mobile fighters who can dodge the normal tentacles, but not the ulted ones (my theorized change is bigger damage/heals, same slow speed as always. It would define her strengths and weaknesses... but maybe too much).
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesYou played against 1 Illaoi 6 days ago.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-03T01:24:42.964+0000)
You played against 1 Illaoi 6 days ago.
Same thing.
I've played a Camille game, at least 1 Shyv game, and I think something else.
THE RlVER KlNG1 votes1st point is untrue, **I've played against about 3-4 Illaois in the past 2 days. **
I went back as far as 20 days. You played as Shyvana against an Illaoi 6 days ago.
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Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fl2Eh6mx,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-03T01:37:27.917+0000)
I went back as far as 20 days. You played as Shyvana against an Illaoi 6 days ago.
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By now I am also confused.
Ok after looking through my matches I am incredibly confused. I clearly remember poking an Illaoi with my W as Camille.
Wut
THE RlVER KlNG1 votesMust've been a dream lmao; I had a dream I was Darius once
Troll for Trump2 votesThe counterplay is to turn around and face her because if she focuses on the spirit instead of you
Definitely don't do that. Practically all her abilities are AoE, and will hit both you and the spirit, "stacking dmg". And her ult will hurt too, post-6, as the spirit counts as another champ.
Squey1 votes"I just got my ass handed to me recently, so the game must be broken."
Yet people say that even when Given Reasonable reasons why they are broken and ways to nerf them slightly in the right direction.
Elite4Runner2 votesYet people say that even when Given Reasonable reasons why they are broken and ways to nerf them slightly in the right direction.
The point was that getting your ass kicked is not by itself a good enough reason.
Giving legitimate argument for why a champion is honestly broken is different from simply being mad because they were outplayed.
Milla Jovovich3 votesSure every champ can carry,but why bother if you can pick the META ones and have an easier time ?
WoonStruck2 votesPeople tell me Vlad's broken all the time. :^)
Jbels1 votesso the 53 and 11 Kat that got fed off of two solo kills in mid lane and was melting through me, a late game nautilus with full build, isn't broken?
Gibberwatt3 voteswell, that depends. were you stacking mr?
Jbels2 voteswell, that depends. were you stacking mr?
Banshee's, Locket, Spirit Visage, Mercs. Yeah, I would say I was. Not to mention she busted through my W, AND courage of the colossus, AND the shields from Locket
I just checked the stats, she did 95.5 thousand damage to champions, and 333,000+ total damage
PlsTouchMeGently4 votesThat person was plat last season and the season before. There was a wide skill discrepancy.
EvilUnicornLord5 votesTaking the stats from one game can't justify that she's broken. Taking the stats from 20 can't justify she's broken. If you want to make a post suggesting a Katarina nerf, check her winrates from reputable sources (OP.GG is pretty good) and then play her several times to determine what part of her kit makes her too strong otherwise your post is just going to be ignored at best.
Cowseed1 votesI that also means that my 13/3/0 carrying with 
means that he is broken.
Jbels1 votesI that also means that my 13/3/0 carrying with
In what world is 13/3 even remotely a close comparison to 53/11?
Cowseed1 votesUrgot is a crappy champ. I was able to carry the game because I put time into playing him and learned to abuse his strengths. Kat is not a crappy champ. She's decent. Therefor if she is able to carry and get 10 or more kills before 20mins then yeah it's not that Kat is OP it's just that your team as well as you sucked and didn't know how to shut her down.
Jbels2 votesUrgot is a crappy champ. I was able to carry the game because I put time into playing him and learned to abuse his strengths. Kat is not a crappy champ. She's decent. Therefor if she is able to carry and get 10 or more kills before 20mins then yeah it's not that Kat is OP it's just that your team as well as you sucked and didn't know how to shut her down.
Except we won.
Cowseed1 votesSo why the complaints. You fed her, shut her down and won. Did she BM you too much?
Jbels1 votesSo why the complaints. You fed her, shut her down and won. Did she BM you too much?
Because Zed is half as mobile, and does way less damage while being counter by a single item. She's very overtuned at the moment and outputs way more damage than is appropriate
Cowseed1 votesYou mean the damage you can completely dodge?
RogueWill1 votesTry carrying with these guys 
and you will find out that no matter how fed you are you can't carry on your own
EvilUnicornLord3 votesThink again. I've carried as tanks and I've even seen Soraka carry (she was full AP mid). It's not common at all, though, because it's very hard getting some champions fed that much in the first place. That doesn't mean it's impossible.
nm10104 votesWtf tahm and mundo are 2 of the best tank carries in the game. Rammus with level advantage can also snowball pretty dang hard.
RogueWill2 votesthe moment everyone hit 5 items they will be back to being useless. Bt sure try to win in that 10 min advantage you got
nm10102 votes10 minutes in league is a fairly long time, but you would probably have longer than that if you get a laning phase advantage which would be ~10 minutes or before. 5 items hits ~30 minutes so you would actually have 20 minutes or so to win.
RogueWill2 votesMundo spike is around the mid game so is usually more around 15-20 min in. You indeed have 10 min to win the game before he starts to fall off and either you ignore him or you kill him pretty fast. His gank potential is fairly low so even if you go ahead you can't roam as easily since you are better off pushing top, in which case they will send either the mage or teh adc to just clear the waves collapsion on your mid turret and basically negating your advanatge
AcidTheWarlock2 votesI've carried on Mundo.
HEISEN8ERG1 votesThere was a point where kog maw did attack speed percent health damage and even if you were a tank, you get mowed down with him building attack speed alone and Riot reverted that change.
SwiftKitten881 votesWhat i hate most is when people say "X champ was OP a long time ago so they cant get buffs"
The game isn't balanced around how a champ was "X patches ago" its balanced around how the champ is NOW.
if 
has a 42% win rate patch 7.3 "I'm not going to say "well AP was op in season 2" THAT'S IRRELEVANT!!! it donest MATTER how they were, 5 seasons ago.. it doesn't matter how they were LAST PATCH. what matters is how they are NOW and if that is acceptable future patches.
obviously you don't make the same mistake and recreate the exact same issue, but you STILL need to make them BALANCED.