There's no logical reason being on a pole makes you untouchable, but it's not that far-fetched to believe that it could cause someone to miss their autoattacks.
You could even make it like Jax's E, where the damage that Fizz deals upon landing scales with the amount of damage he dodged.
BeatzBoyFTW4 votesBecause it's for the 5 year olds who doesn't know how to do a good "play".
SexyTaylorSwift2 votesOr da 5 yr oldz dat duznt no how 2 do a gud engrish
MakeHongKongFree4 votesWhat people fail to notice is that Fizz's playful/trickster makes him UNTARGETTABLE not invulnerable. He still takes on the full effect of tethers/DoT's. It is also very easy to shut him down with heavy poke early game. He is an assassin, and you shouldn't try to fight him 1v1 because assassins kill things 1v1, Fizz and any other assassin. Instead of complaining about how a champion is "OP", might I suggest actually learning to play against them? And as far as the "logical" argument goes, it isn't "logical" when an auto attack follows me through a wall when I flash over it and die, or for a nidalee spear to stay at a constant speed but manage to build massive damage over the time it is airborne. League is a video game, and logic needs to be twisted sometimes in order to maintain stability.
Deep Terror Nami3 votesI'd rather my skillshot either flew past and had a chance to hit something else or my targeted ability was unable to be wasted, rather than he just soak it up with a 'dodge' and waste my skills altogether. At least tethers (like Karma's W) don't break due to it, right?
Vettahn2 votesBy this, I only meant an auto-attack dodge, such as the aforementioned Jax E. So your skillshots would still hit, just not your autoattacks.
Leti the Yeti3 votesarguably not the most useful thing ever being a stationary auto attack dodger
atleast Jax can move and jump and beat shit up while doing it
and the invulnerability makes alot of sense to me its alike if someone side stepped ur shit, you fuqing missed buddy in this case, instead of moving X or Y, Fizz is... well lol hes going along the Z axis, UP!
if you already think of it as a doge its not so odd to think that this mtherfker just hopped over your missle ;l
Vettahn2 votesDo sidesteps make you immune to any and all forms of damage from any and all sources of damage, though?
Leti the Yeti4 votesno, but being in a higher elevation than where all incoming projectiles and damage are heading sorta does
MakeHongKongFree2 votesNot all sources of damage. Fizz still takes the full effect of thethers/DoT's while on top of his trident. Maybe if you understood how the champion works you might actually beat him.
BigD90001 votesThen why does turret not continue to damage him?
Legostrike1 votesthat logic would work if it was telegraphed. I feel bad about myself when someone sidesteps, knowing that it required at least a cursor drag and I could, you know, predict it. In Fizz's case it's a reactionary DLKGHSOIGHWTWTET GET OUT OF THE FIRE button press that I can't exactly predict unless I know he's used it, which I can't exactly bait it out by holding back, so it's a "get out of jail free" card.
Honestly though, i think Fizz, despite being a no skill champ (I mean, I went on a rampage once when he was on free week and i'd never played him), he's at the very least balanced so most people don't know about him. I don't think he needs a major change or heck, even much of a nerf. Doesn't mean I'm banning him any chance I get (along with akali and fiora).
Deep Terror Nami1 votesI think the only way to change his troll pole without making him worthless, would be removing the ability to delay and change where you jump to (so he's always invuln for the same amount of time, and his landing spot is predictable).
Vettahn2 votesI think the only way to change his troll pole without making him worthless
This says a lot about the state of Fizz.
And I do agree that the Trickster thing is greatly unnecessary, as it just adds more power to an already strong ability.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesIt doesn't say anything about the state of Fizz. This is an opinion.
Vettahn5 votesThe idea alone that Fizz's E is what keeps him from being worthless is, to me, very indicative of the state of the champion.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesI also think you're only agreeing with it to further your own agenda and are extremely biased. What do you think of that? Indicative?
Feathermane2 votesThe idea alone that Fizz's E is what keeps him from being worthless is, to me, very indicative of the state of the champion.
This is the worst argument concerning balance ever made. Congratulations. It's so bad, inserting Hitler in there would improve it.
Vettahn1 votesThat seems a bit harsh.
Poshriel1 votesThis is the worst argument concerning balance ever made. Congratulations. It's so bad, inserting Hitler in there would improve it.
Ok, when people are saying this is a problem more so than his high scaling skill shot that knocks up people around it, that's indicative of the state of the champion. Not to mention percentage of missing health is in the kit as well, and the troll poll still takes the cake. I would honestly rather face teemo because if you're someone who does burst damage you can just kill him.
Can't do that against a playful/trickster.
Junkο1 votesHe said nerfing his E would make HIS E useless, not the champion.
ImHerVoice1 votesWhy we can gut c hampions like riven/eve/diana/leblanc Why not fizz? hm?
MakeHongKongFree3 votesPerhaps Fizz's damage is offset by his massive early mana costs(130 mana rank 5 P/T)? Seriously after 2 spell rotations a Fizz is OOM in lane. Meanwhile riven has no mana and plenty of mobility with an AD scaling shield while still dishing out loads of damage, and had one of the highest base health regens in the game. the only need Leblanc received was the removal of her silence, and her W was buffed, making her more viable for crazy dash plays. Also, I would not recommend comparing Fizz to Riven/Diana, as they are fighters, and Fizz is an assassin, and is meant to dish out massive damage and have a good defense/escarole mechanism in order to survive.
ImHerVoice1 voteslmfao yeah. Mana costs matter when you can negate it with runes/masteries/double dorans rings
Mana costs are one of the worst excuses I've ever read in a MOBA for any champion to not recieve nerfs.
MPendragon3 votesNobody can defend the fact that Fizz should remain invulnerable during this. He's sitting on top of his pole for God's sake. The game has a plethora of champsion who are basically ninjas. What kind of reject wouldn't just push the guy's pole over that he's sitting on?
Realistically it would give partial defense, until someone pushed the pole over. In no way, shape, or form should it give him invulnerability. And it certainly shouldn't act like Jax's E either, please remove that. I don't want developer's getting any bad ideas.
SexyTaylorSwift3 votesYou talking about a video game that has no realism whatsoever. Why do you try to make his pole realistic?
Focusss3 votesGeez people can cry a lot on the forums. Just ban fizz and you wont have to worry about him if you don't know how to beat him.
TheHistorriann3 votesAfter reading this forum I can't help but think we better nerf Irelia. But seriously, Fizz is an assassin, you can ignite him before he e's and he will still die. My suggestion would be to not go in 1v1 against the fish.
PL551 votesEver since I read Fizz's abilities, his e completely confused me. He could jump on his pole as a reaction to dodge an auto or single target spell, but him being completely untargetable from this just makes no sense. If you see a fish jumping on a pole you should still be able to attack it.
Llanite1 votesBecause he doesn't have the tankiness? I'll gladly trade the pole for lifesteal and sustain DPS.
Snarflaz1 votesOnce i tried to use fizz and E out of Veigars E, it stunned me, and i couldn't do a second jump.
Snarflaz1 votesBut his E needs to get nerfed against turrets, every other champion take turret damage if they tried to escape with and ability, but fizz he double jumps and the turret shot coming for you magically disappears.
windwolf7771 votes
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