I recall multiple times when Riot has named Blitz the most toxic champ in the game.

For Carthage·Oct 19, 2015·5 votes·1,048 views

So... we gonna do anything with those statements?

Or, you know, just continue to let him be that toxic?

Or was the plan to introduce a series of reworks/changes that would make other champs way more toxic so that they wouldn't have to come up with fixes?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/3a0ac638ccf24c756de97369d1ce9b87/tumblr_notern5Odl1tctq75o3_400.gif

They're distracting us, buttblossoms...

26 Comments

Vistha KaiOct 20, 20152 votes

Then you realize Blitz's Q used to be a point'n'click spell instead of a skillshot.

There are many much worse issues than one skillshot you can dodge in most cases.

For CarthageOct 20, 20152 votes

*One skillshot you must dodge the entirety of the game or get fukt

Fixed your statement.

Vistha KaiOct 20, 20152 votes

Because Blitzcrank is the only champion in the game with an ability that gets people fucked.

Pro tip: He is not.

For CarthageOct 20, 20151 votes

It's a zero risk ability. Lee can save somebody, Tristana can as well, all others tend to not be pulling one single person into the middle of your awaiting team.

Blitz's is one that you have to dodge all the time or you know what the consequence is - everyone else has a universal tendency to basically just be like "K, coming to get you. On my way. About to hit you into my team. Aaaaaaaaaaaand you flashed so I kicked you away instead... fuck."

Vistha KaiOct 22, 20151 votes

So your argument is that all champions should be homogenized and Blitzcrank is toxic, because he has an unique CC ability.

For CarthageOct 22, 20151 votes

Ah, no. I'm saying that Blitzcrank is toxic because there's no trade-off to his "unique CC ability". He has solid escapes and great damage on top of a passive to make him far tankier than he needs to be. He has no danger other than his supposed early game weakness of high cooldowns and mana costs. But he can always play safe until those cooldowns are up and support gear makes his mana problems far less so, so that argument is a pathetic one.

360D3GR3SSOct 19, 20151 votes

It is nearly impossible to rework him and have him be more balanced than he currently is. Blitz isn't as toxic as he used to be since the huge w nerfs.

Lord BoltrixOct 19, 20151 votes

There isn't much you can do with Blitzcrank other than adding a brief delay to his pull.

Or better yet, how about this: Blitz has to re-activate his ability to pull someone, the first time he activates his ability, he charges up very visibly in some way, maybe has a bit of steam coming out of him. He has a window of time with which to do this, otherwise it goes on a shortened cooldown if he doesn't use it, maybe half the cooldown of the ability and refund half the mana cost?

There, the ability itself stays the way it is innately, but has counterplay.

CasterGilgameshOct 20, 20151 votes

they need to reduce blitz range on pull and ult and put a wind up on his pull and reduce the duration on his silence at early levels.

For CarthageOct 20, 20151 votes

That's probably way more than he actually needs. Probably choose one before trying others.

CasterGilgameshOct 20, 20151 votes

people complain about soraka silence but no one seems to be mad at blitz silence : / but yah guess over shot on the nerfs

SEKAIOct 20, 20151 votes

Then there is still Thresh who is more toxic than Blitz, at least do him first before the robot.

GigglingAngelOct 20, 20151 votes

People are complaining about Blitz? Really?

Cenobite AzazielOct 20, 20151 votes

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People are complaining about Blitz? Really?

You can consider his Q one of the most toxic things in this game.

SEKAIOct 20, 20152 votes

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You can consider his Q one of the most toxic things in this game.

Still less toxic then Lee's ulti.

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20151 votes

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Still less toxic then Lee's or Rengar's ulti.

Lee Sin must only receive buffs.

Rengar needs his burst changed, not his ultimate.

SEKAIOct 20, 20152 votes

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Rengar needs his burst changed, not his ultimate.

I removed that from my original post because tbh Rengar's ulti is fine just the entire kit as a whole is quite toxic.

Lee Sin must only receive buffs.

I hate Lee.

GigglingAngelOct 20, 20151 votes

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You can consider his Q one of the most toxic things in this game.

I suppose I could, but I don't. That Q is his only real strength. Yes, it's strong, but everyone has their strong points.

For CarthageOct 20, 20152 votes

It's not about it being his only strength - it's that it's a skill that requires perfect play by opposing team and can singlehandedly win a game while having a 10 second cooldown. It's a catching skill without the risk and the most that he needs is a ward and somebody to kill the pulled enemy with. And there's no reliable way to reverse a pull - once it's done, that's it. Have fun with the next part.

It's not even just that he's toxic to the enemy team - he's old Bard. He can just as easily fuck your own team but pulling an enemy he shouldn't. That's way, way, way too much of a power budget to have on a bloody Q, and even more so since, unlike in other games, he comes with abilities solely built around maximizing his Q use - a speed up to widen distance, a knock-up to hold enemies in place along with a silence to keep them there longer if they're mobile; the only other characters in other MOBA's to compare are Pudge from DoTA2 (whose hook travels further, but far slower) and Stitches from HoTS (whose hook can travel further, but as a default doesn't; also travels slower). Stitches can eat people (and while doing this they take no damage besides the ability's damage) but has that as an optional ultimate - otherwise he has a very brief slow. Pudge has a disable on his ultimate, but it's interrupted by basically anything and everything and already has an item built into the game to basically counter the shit out of him come mid-late game - he's practically useless in any kind of real play.

Blitz is almost instantaneous, comes with a two-second lockdown period on any pulled targets, and scales 100% with all damage (if you've ever seen a Blitz get so fed in botlane that they just start building damage, might as well quit because anybody that gets pulled explodes).

Meep ManOct 20, 20151 votes

"Toxic"... is that really the correct term?

BrahmsauceOct 20, 20151 votes

Love playing Morgana into him or thresh. The hook denial is so satisfying, and relieves so much lane pressure.

AMYS GRAVEOct 20, 20151 votes

Links to those statements?

For CarthageOct 20, 20151 votes

There's a variety of topics that usually get downvoted (go figure) on Blitz's Q both in-lane and out (mostly on the endgame point of his pull deciding games). There was a large topic with a red post (I think Meddler?) concerning Blitz's absurd ability to zone lanes by existing, especially with his new W giving him a "surprise" burst of speed from brushes to run up, E, then Q anybody trying to run. I can't for the life of me find it right now, but then again these boards are a miserable mess...

lolipopevelynnOct 20, 20151 votes

that W nerf really cut back on his power.

blitz will always be blitz tho as long as he has his Q and E.

For CarthageOct 20, 20151 votes

It's debatable. It cut back on him sprinting until world's end, but it made it so that he can use it basically as a kind of dodge or ambush tactic - keep in mind he moves faster within the first couple of seconds during it, so if you're not expecting him, he can literally appear out of nowhere and catch you before you know what's happened.