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Suggestion to change/buff Evelynn's Hate Spike

Choten·5/6/2017, 8:35:32 PM·1 votes·852 views

Hate Spike feels really weak for AP Eve compared to Ravage for AD Eve. For AD Evelynn, Ravage chunk's an enemy's health and then gives Evelynn an attack speed steroid. AD Eve players can make use of all of her abilities + Auto Attacks while AP Evelynn players Don't get anything out of an attack speed buff or auto attacks, which is a lot.

Hate spike can be seen as offering low cooldowns, high AP scalings, and the ability to quickly proc spell effects but I feel it suffers from the same problem Aurelion Sol does. The only Spell effects are item 3151 item 3116 item 3285. With Spellvamp almost non-existant and Gunblade taking too long to complete just to offer 1/3 healing from hate spike because it's AoE, there's no sustain outside of item 3027item 3030 .

There's also the problem of Hate Spike being a mana sink. With 36 Mana cost at Rank 5, you can't split push a lane and say for sure that you'll have mana to fight if someone shows up. Meanwhile for AD Evelynn, you have access to item 3074 or item 3748 and you don't even need to use Ravage at all to push so you can save your mana.

I suggest that every 3rd Hate Spike can offer a boost. Either:

  • After 3 Hate Spikes, Evelynn can cast Hate spike for no cost (or half cost) within 2 seconds. [This guarantees that Eve at least Hate Spikes 3 times before getting the cost reduction.]

  • Every 3rd Hate spike will increase Hate Spike's damage by 50% [This is similar to Jax. This can reward players for sticking around in a fight.]

  • Every 3rd Hate Spike will slow enemies by X% for 0.75 seconds. [This can help AP Evelynn's kiting power without Rylai's.]

How does this sound?

9 Comments

Nhifu5/6/2017, 8:43:56 PM2 votes

It's all about protobelt off tank evelynn :P

Doctrorpheus5/6/2017, 9:08:02 PM2 votes

They don't have to drastically change hate spike.

Not every element gets completely reworked.

I hope they keep hate spike and stealth though.

Asayake 5150glow5/6/2017, 11:19:23 PM2 votes

item 3115 if you wanna auto attack effectively with AP

item 3100 works too.

Anyway, that point about too much mana is null, just go into stealth and regen it. Yeah Eve is bad at splitting, but her escapes could potentially better than Shaco's, if she makes it out of range, plus W movespeed from hitting Q and Rylai's means chasing is difficult.

Keep in mind that AP Eve kites far more effectively than AD Eve, who mostly uses autos and gets no slows, instead of Hate Spikes mediocre but still existing range.

That being said, Hate Spikes would be a lot cooler if it was more burst focused. With the press and holding stuff they've been experimenting with, maybe there could be an option to charge Q's to hit rapidly for, I dunno, 5 times, and then place it on a 5 second or something cooldown afterwards (not reducable by CDR)?

I also feel Eve's clear could be buffed, but then her counterjungling might get a little extreme. She's not limited like Shyvana, who uses her main dueling tool to farm and thus won't have it up to fight, so maybe that's not a problem.

Oleandervine5/6/2017, 8:49:55 PM1 votes

Threads like this are irrelevant since Evelynn is currently in the process of getting a VGU. Hate Spike will either not exist or get dramatically changed.