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my problem with "assassins"

Bradley Dragon··4 votes·920 views

is that assassins in this game arent actually assassins but rather burst mages that are either ad or ap scaling....

a true assassin would deal little dmg and have high cooldowns, but a LOT of survivability through mobility and stealth. and would only deal proper dmg to low hp targets. garen is a better example of an assassin with his ult.. use his ult on a high hp target. it does little to nothing... but insta kills low hp targets with ease, esp if marked.

but garen is a FIGHTER/TANK, NOT an assassin, yet he has the ult an assassin SHOULD have.

all assassins should scale off missing hp. not high ratios. their job is to dive the back line and (((((finish off))))) not "100-0" a squishy target.

a true assassin should lie in wait till enemies are low and pounce. like how warwick works now. unless he marks them himself. he has little ability to chase and kill a target if they arent under half hp.

tank abilities should be more focused on % current hp scalings, assassins should focus on % missing hp scalings.

wow now im being downvoted by so called "assassin mains" they must play Darkrunners in AA as well.

22 Comments

Joxcab3 votes

Uh, an assassin should be able to delete any full health carry easily, and anyone with low Heath in general. Their job IS to 100-0 the squishy target. Please learn what you're talking about.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Uh, an assassin should be able to delete any full health carry easily, and anyone with low Heath in general. Their job IS to 100-0 the squishy target. Please learn what you're talking about.

lol that is a NOPE. a mage should be able to burst you down. assassins are supposed to finish the job when the target tries to run.

assassins definition, is taking out a priority target, and what is a priority target? a low hp one.

also to clarify, im NOT saying that assassins need to do no dmg vs high hp targets. im saying they should have no bonuses vs them. thier scaling should be based on opponents missing hp, base dmg, and low scaling.

zyra can still burst down targets, and she has some of teh lowest ratios in the game.

you are thinking too much in terms of using 1 combo to kill. im thinking in terms of a 10-20 second battle,

assassin late game jumps on the dps alone, deals about half his hp in dmg, then hides, waits for cds as the carry tries to run away, then when his cds are up, he jumps the adc again and finishes him off.

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I would rather have them have little damage and low cooldowns, but low range, and high mobility. They hop in, do a combo, distract the enemy team, get out, and come back in to kill the target. They should have benefits after finishing a target like Katarina's resets.

what this guy says pretty much

Joxcab3 votes

No, you are ridiculously wrong.

A priority target is the carry. They should be able to delete full health carries in a second or less.

Don't like it? Play smarter.

Are you fucking drunk and high and stoned off your ass? A 10-20 second battle? Okay we are done. I am not bothering with a complete joke trying to discuss something it knows fucking nothing about the game let alone assassins.

WarringNations is ignorant. But you literally would be a candidate for the Darwin Award.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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No, you are ridiculously wrong.

A priority target is the carry. They should be able to delete full health carries in a second or less.

Don't like it? Play smarter.

Are you fucking drunk and high and stoned off your ass? A 10-20 second battle? Okay we are done. I am not bothering with a complete joke trying to discuss something it knows fucking nothing about.

WarringNations is ignorant. But you literally would be a candidate for the Darwin Award.

lol play archeage and enjoy being killed in less then 2 seconds by Darkrunners from stealth. unless your a tank you will quit the game and say "fuck this shit"

Joxcab2 votes

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Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Oh look, a completely different game. How completely meaningless.

git gud garbage.

a support main who has never played an assassin ever is trying to downtalk me. who has played every champ in teh game since season 2, owns all champs, and all runes. and has probably 10k+ hours in teh game.

PermabannedGaren3 votes

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a true assassin would deal little dmg and have high cooldowns, but a LOT of survivability through mobility and stealth. and would only deal proper dmg to low hp targets.

So they should be hot garbage is what you're saying.

And someone was dumb enough to upvote this guy, lmao.

"Dude let's design a character to have their damage scale like total dog shit with gold and make their only purpose kill-stealing, ensuring they get the bulk of the gold" lol.

I'm glad Riot wisely doesn't give a shit about armchair designers like you. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Joxcab1 votes

armchair designers

DAMN

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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So they should be hot garbage is what you're saying.

And someone was dumb enough to upvote this guy, lmao.

"Dude let's design a character to have their damage scale like total dog shit with gold and make their only purpose kill-stealing, ensuring they get the bulk of the gold" lol.

I'm glad Riot wisely doesn't give a shit about armchair designers like you. You have no idea what you're talking about.

yet eve can solo carry a game as full tank, as well an ekko. just because they scale bad with dmg items down NOT make them useless. and for the kill stealing. simply up asist gold and lower kill gold. problem solved

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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yet eve can solo carry a game as full tank

Right now? She frankly kind of can't. She's dog shit as a tank. She needs AP items, if tanky utility AP items like protobelt.

as well an ekko. just because they scale bad with dmg items down NOT make them useless.

Tank Ekko is dead, and for good reason. Tank Ekko could build full tank, be incredibly hard to kill, while still having the damage to solo your carry quickly and effectively, due to having a lot of damage in his kit.

and for the kill stealing. simply up asist gold and lower kill gold. problem solved

Unnecessary. The game shouldn't contort to fit your shitty ideas.

Also, I lol'd at your description as assassins possessing "high survivability", despite it presumably being tied to their mobility, which would have high cooldowns per your words.

No, your ideas suck, and Riot knows they do. That's why they'll never fly.

Incarceration2 votes

I would rather have them have little damage and low cooldowns, but low range, and high mobility. They hop in, do a combo, distract the enemy team, get out, and come back in to kill the target. They should have benefits after finishing a target like Katarina's resets.

5050BS1 votes

Eve would fit your view the most then.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Eve would fit your view the most then.

she used to. before they made her ult % CURRENT HP, she used to actually be able to finish off low hp targets. if they made her ult melee range and kept the max hp dmg i would have been happy. she scales better with ad then ap due to her ult scaling being completely useless. at least as ad she can basic attack them to do dmg, instead of doing 50 dmg with her pathetic ult.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Old Kata, basically.

The problem is, then assassins would be too team reliant and would also be terrible at helping out their teammates by doing tremendous damage when they're low, and thus stealing the kill gold, and doing negligable damage when they're healthy, which they probably are if you're teammate is losing, thus you're useless.

Also, instakilling low targets with ease is something anyone with about half their damage being targeted, due to needing to hit skillshots to 100-0 or do a ton of damage, but against someone low, that's 50% of their damage that's targeted is plenty to kill them. Pantheon's execute crit also helps.

And - I've been saying this for a while now. Assassins need meaningful cooldowns. Else they turn into bruisers(Tankgar) or mages(Ahri. Just, Ahri). Although my idea of an assassin is different from yours, we both agree they need more cooldowns.

Also, Garen can execute a tank with 6k health and 300 mr, if they're the villain and are at a measly, pitiful, 2k health left. Not exactly something I want assassins to do, or think assassins should do.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Old Kata, basically.

The problem is, then assassins would be too team reliant and would also be terrible at helping out their teammates by doing tremendous damage when they're low, and thus stealing the kill gold, and doing negligable damage when they're healthy, which they probably are if you're teammate is losing, thus you're useless.

Also, instakilling low targets with ease is something anyone with about half their damage being targeted, due to needing to hit skillshots to 100-0 or do a ton of damage, but against someone low, that's 50% of their damage that's targeted is plenty to kill them. Pantheon's execute crit also helps.

And - I've been saying this for a while now. Assassins need meaningful cooldowns. Else they turn into bruisers(Tankgar) or mages(Ahri. Just, Ahri). Although my idea of an assassin is different from yours, we both agree they need more cooldowns.

Also, Garen can execute a tank with 6k health and 300 mr, if they're the villain and are at a measly, pitiful, 2k health left. Not exactly something I want assassins to do, or think assassins should do.

1: this IS a team game 2: most assassins should be either junglers or mids. actually they ALL should be. the point of an assassin is to gank lanes and roam. not poke down targets, that is your carry/mage's job. 3: the issue with garen's ult is that it scales too high. a tank should be under 1k hp out of 6k to die not 2k.

besides this i agree totally that assassins need high cooldownd. all that "reset cd on kill" bullshit is what makes yi and kat so frustrating.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Other than Zed I can't think of any assassins who poke their targets down.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Other than Zed I can't think of any assassins who poke their targets down.

if his ult was a better finisher and his q had less dmg. zed would be more healthy. i even played as new zed a bit, and even tho i died a lot being reckless. i got sooo many kills by relentlessly qing opponents into the ground with my 0 costs.

Doozku1 votes

Problem is that it would just make assassins "win-more" type champions. Basically assassins would be completely dependent on how good their team was in a teamfight. If the team got ahead in the fight, the assassins would just kill everyone super easily. If the team started to lose, then the assassin would be 100% useless. That kind of play style is completely feast or famine, and is one of the reasons why abilities like Morde's ult are considered toxic.

Also, why would you pick an assassin when Darius has the same or similar clean up ability while also doing massive AOE, having low cooldowns, being able to shred tanks, and be tanky. Basically any role can clean up after a fight, juggernauts, or skirmishers like Yi. Assassins would lose something that made them unique. (although having an assassin that preys on low health targets would be a cool idea for one champion. Maybe not a whole class however)

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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Problem is that it would just make assassins "win-more" type champions. Basically assassins would be completely dependent on how good their team was in a teamfight. If the team got ahead in the fight, the assassins would just kill everyone super easily. If the team started to lose, then the assassin would be 100% useless. That kind of play style is completely feast or famine, and is one of the reasons why abilities like Morde's ult are considered toxic.

Also, why would you pick an assassin when Darius has the same or similar clean up ability while also doing massive AOE, having low cooldowns, being able to shred tanks, and be tanky. Basically any role can clean up after a fight, juggernauts, or skirmishers like Yi. Assassins would lose something that made them unique. (although having an assassin that preys on low health targets would be a cool idea for one champion. Maybe not a whole class however)

but darius is a joke if you slow him down. he is so easilly kitable its just silly. plus grevious wounds make him almost useless by cutting his q heal in half he dies super easilly. and if he misses teh kill on his ult. he has nothign left.

Doozku1 votes

Your assassins would be a joke if a support carried exhaust and 1 cc, they would just get stunned and exhausted before they even got to any low health targets.

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