Towers Don't Protect us anymore, We Have to Protect our towers.

They never were supposed to protect you. Assist you, yes. But they aren't supposed to be 11 extra fountains. If 4 people tower dive you, you shouldn't expect to kill them all unless you do it very correctly or they do it very incorrectly. But if one person dives you at 20% HP, the tower should at least help you out enough to get a return kill if the diver doesn't do it perfectly.

Quite ironic isn't it :P

Very true. Towers use to be your back up or coverage if your lane got goofy or gank. Now they dive right in on you. Not much to do. But your second half if the header is correct, protect your tower. The one of many objectives in the game.

How when level 3 ganking jungler just goes in and 2 shots you, and escapes clean with over 1/2 life?

tower defense buffs?

I mean, this was always a tower defense game ._.

You have to admit though, there is something funny about tanking 10+ turret shots with 1.5 armor items, and still walking away with half HP.

I think that this has always been the case.

Towers only ever protected me when I was really really shit at the game, and hence playing against really really bad players.

Now that I am only mostly shit, the players I am against know how to play around towers better.

Yes

Towers are objectives, not a crutch for weak players.

I MISS FORTIFY!

You were always supposed to defend towers, that hasn't changed in the slightest.

Towers are only supposed to protect you early game, and they won't protect you from being dived and killed when you are below 25% health if the enemy team plays it right.

Now whether they are doing as sufficient of a job protecting you early as they could be is another topic, one that is not addressed in your post, and is in an entirely grey area.

u have to admit i was able to take a route around the inhib tower with only 1 armor item and walk out safe.

I seriously get tired of my team flaming me for not roaming out of top when I clearly have an opponent with better wave clear and will just destroy my tower in 2-3 waves. I have to protect my lane like everyone else. It's not my fault I'm the only one on my team doing it effectively.

Like, around 25 minutes yah.

#It was ALWAYS like this.

Problem is that you cannot even protect them cause they are so fking weak.

This has been true since before Season 1

Fuck this was true back in DotA allstars

Yes. You are completely right.

I made this point a few weeks ago and some kid disagreed saying towers were stronger than ever. I won't even begin to try to do the research or to argue with him. Even if it is true, it does not change the problem.

Even if tower damage is "higher" than before. It does not change the problem. Snowballing and damage burst is at an all time high for the history of this game.

Unless the towers are 2 shotting people the damage is irrelevant in the current state of the game. Push wave to turret - > have someone get ago and stand on the outside of turret - > proceed to smile as said enemy gets killed while you tank 4+ shots.

The enemy is dead before the turret gets off 3 shots and this is early game. Fast forward 15+ minutes and turrets become completely irrelevant when people die in 2 seconds.

That's the point.

implying they did protect us in the past...

The thing is, that right now(and for most of the past), this is true at all stages of the game, but the important qestion is should this be true at all stages in the game?

I'd argue that towers should be some form of save haven **early **in the game, helping to survive in a bad matchup without falling behind to much, without feeling helpless I also think they should still be some kind of dangerzone lategame(inhip and nexuse towers) that can't be entered carelessly, especially not by squishys. I think the main problem is that towers need to provide something else than damage early on to real be somewaht protective without punishing towerdives way to hard I think a shield mechanic simila to that which inner towers had would be nice for outer towers to provide some protection, maybe with a mechanic like yasuos that takeing damage means the shield falls off shortly after, and with maybe differnt values for ranged and melee. Aditionally, the stacking up damage and mostly aggro jugling are rather problematic aswell, atleast with how bursty the game is. Towers deal high damage - once fully stacked up, but most people die befor that happens, and with propper agro jugling you can prevent that anyway, especially vs inhip towers that need longer to stack and loose ALL stacks upon switching targets this allows especially squishy champs to dance in and out of tower agro without really getting any damage later on.