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@CertainlyT Please never EVER make/change any champions again ever.

Phil Fly··169 votes·9,275 views

TL;DR his champions and changes to them are bad for gameplay.

I don't wanna put this too harsh, but everything you touch just goes downhill. Like the opposite of the Midas touch. Something worse.

Let's start with the basics. Google "CertainlyT". You'll come up with a boatload of popular threads that have been spawning over years stating how CertainlyT should not even be allowed to design any more champions.

"They're fun to play and make flashy plays!" you say. You can give a champion glitter bombs for abilities, I don't care, but the second you give a champion

double crit chance, a shield for around 25% of his max hp at lvl 18, a critically-striking tornado, an ability that can nullify most ultimates in the game, infinite dashes, an AoE suspension on almost no cooldown, and 50% bonus armor penetration #ALL WHILE HAVING NO MANA COSTS You gotta problem. If you go around throwing out champions like this anymore, this game's gonna be nothing but people blinking all over the map with 1,000 movespeed. And you know what? This isn't the only problematic champion you've made. I could go on for days about Darius, Thresh, Kalista. But what I'm most afraid about is Mordekaiser.

As stated by This thread right here, CertainlyT wants Morde bot because he can't be healthy in a solo lane. Instead of try to fix this, They gut his W so it's only useful in a duo-lane. This Idiot working at Riot goes head-first into the rework without any remorse for the players. I myself loved Mordekaiser. Never played him support, don't know how it goes, but what I do know is that the last thing Morde wants is to be some adc's bitch.

In addition, there have been numerous complaints about CertainlyT in the past. This issue isn't a new one, really. Like I said before, google "CertainlyT".

Stating that He shouldn't be allowed to make champions Stating he is the worst game designer at Riot Stating that (in another comment) he is working for the wrong damn game

Well, that's the end of my rant. Take it or leave it, upvote it or downvote it, report me or not, I don't care. It's my opinion and I want to get it out there.

#Just please to GOD, NEVER TOUCH ANY CHAMPIONS AGAIN

108 Comments

A Miss Fortune61 votes

Yasuo overloaded, he has how many passives again? Like holy crap, I thought ability descriptions weren't suppose to be multiple paragraphs long. Can't even begin on his issues.

Thresh overloaded, literally the only thing he doesn't have as a Support is a heal. CC, peel, a free get-out-of-jail-card for your ADC, shield, engage, disengage, poke, and yes I've seen my fair share of Threshs 1v1 an enemy carry with more than enough damage.

Zyra had a 63% winrate immediately on release and now one of the lowest pick rate champions, nuff said

Darius kite or be killed, can go 20-0 in laning phase but still be useless in teamfights

Kalista infinite dashes, multiple forms of CC, free mobile wards, an infinite stacking rend that basically acts as a 3k damage smite on objectives and can blow up even tanks since it still stacks infinitely. Let's not forget the fact that if Kalista and her bounded target attack the same target, Kalista can deal over 30% of their maximum health in damage

Mordekaiser hur dur im melee i guess its safe 3 say i wnt get pokeded down by ppl with x4 my range! but i get a free dragon pet so i guess its k

YumaS2Astral34 votes

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Thresh overloaded, literally the only thing he doesn't have as a Support is a heal. CC, peel, a free get-out-of-jail-card for your ADC, shield, engage, disengage, poke, and yes I've seen my fair share of Threshs 1v1 an enemy carry with more than enough damage.

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Feathermane7 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-05T03:18:23.348+0000)

Darius kite or be killed, can go 20-0 in laning phase but still be useless in teamfights

How do people manage to be useless in teamfights as Darius? You just beat the hell out of the closest person, I mean that's why the true damage is there. You don't need to chase anyone around. He might suck as the initiator, but he was obviously never meant to be one.

Only Play Darius6 votes

Doesn't work like that. Darius can get fed as hell in top lane but against anyone remotely competent they will just casually walk away from him the moment they see him roam, he can't exert his gold advantage around the map the way other toplaners can because he is too slow. He has no tank scalings and his short ranged, so in teamfights he tends to die too easily. He plays like an assassin but people always manage to escape from him or kite him because he has none of the mobility all the assassins get.

VDc0zCqe0w5 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-05T03:18:23.348+0000)

Zyra had a 63% winrate immediately on release and now one of the lowest pick rate champions, nuff said

i'm tired about this argument: Zyra has got a 100% normal and healthy kit, everything got counterplay and there is not a single thing that shouldn't be there (maybe you can consider W CDR being overkill? that makes up for the shitty AI plants i guess)

Abyssphere5 votes

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i'm tired about this argument: Zyra has got a 100% normal and healthy kit, everything got counterplay and there is not a single thing that shouldn't be there (maybe you can consider W CDR being overkill? that makes up for the shitty AI plants i guess)

W CDR is very CertainlyT. If they got rid of that you'd never know he had a hand in her.

A Miss Fortune7 votes

The old Zyra had more damage and pretty much all of her abilities were a lot harder to dodge.

They pretty much nerfed her into oblivion so that in mid lane, there's' absolutely no reason to actually be hit by Zyra's combo unless she's on top of you. I wouldn't even say her kit is healthy still right now, because if you don't play her absolutely perfectly in every way possible, you'll just get outshone by most other mid laners. Either play Zyra perfectly or just play her a Support.

manbearswine6 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=000300020001,timestamp=2015-08-05T14:50:14.426+0000)

The old Zyra had more damage and pretty much all of her abilities were a lot harder to dodge.

They pretty much nerfed her into oblivion so that in mid lane, there's' absolutely no reason to actually be hit by Zyra's combo unless she's on top of you. I wouldn't even say her kit is healthy still right now, because if you don't play her absolutely perfectly in every way possible, you'll just get outshone by most other mid laners. Either play Zyra perfectly or just play her a Support.

She's a pretty worthless support though.

Release zyra was op because they were releasing champions every 2 weeks,it's not like diana darius rengar or jayce(all of whom were released in proximity to zyra) were anywhere near balanced on release,you don't see people complaining about release xin every time xin is mentioned,hell,you don't hear complaints about release vayne either,the only reason they mention it for zyra is because they want to generalize that everything certaintlyT has a hand is goes to shit,and she doesn't fit too well there.

It might be worth noting that if I remember correctly zyra is a champion certainlyT participated in desgining,but wasn't her main designer,however he does seem to be the person in charge of the nerfs which put her so deep into the ground.

MohawkBird4 votes

The thing about it is that none of those champions went into the gutter after. If you have to nerf a champion to the point where they are barely even viable, that is a sign of a design problem. Sure, release Jayce was OP, but he is actually in a pretty good spot right now. Release Diana was OP as all hecks, but she is actually really balanced right now. Most of CertaintlyT's champs are either trash or god tier, and are extremely hard to balance simply because of their kits.

Thresh is always played and is overloaded as all hecks.

Yasuo was OP as heck on release, but now joins the "meh" tier because he is 100% hit or miss.

Darius's counterplay is "Don't be in my range."

Kalista has an un-balanceable passive while bringing ridiculous amounts of utility to the team. They had to nerf her AD to only be 90% of what you buy. When have you ever seen that happen? No other champion has a percentage of their damage shaved off, and you want to know why? Because you can't balance her kit wise.

It's hard to balance such annoying, overloaded, and toxic kits that CertainlyT brings into the game.

VDc0zCqe0w2 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=000300020001,timestamp=2015-08-05T14:50:14.426+0000)

The old Zyra had more damage and pretty much all of her abilities were a lot harder to dodge.

all of her abilities? did you even play her?

only E was faster, everything else is the same, and damage = numbers =/= kit

A Miss Fortune10 votes

-Q: -Range Nerfed -Damage Nerfed

-W: -CDR cut in half -Plant damage nerfed -Multiple plants attacking a single target's damage nerfed

-E: -Speed nerfed -Range nerfed -Damage Nerfed

-R: -Range nerfed -Damage nerfed

-Passive: -Width nerfed -Speed nerfed -Damage nerfed

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=00030002000100010000,timestamp=2015-08-05T16:57:38.613+0000)

-Q: -Range Nerfed -Damage Nerfed

-W: -CDR cut in half -Plant damage nerfed -Multiple plants attacking a single target's damage nerfed

-E: -Speed nerfed -Range nerfed -Damage Nerfed

-R: -Range nerfed -Damage nerfed

-Passive: -Width nerfed -Speed nerfed -Damage nerfed

what you're talking about are NUMBER nerfs, the kit still works the same way as release, while the same can't be said about Kalista for example, she is forced to go AS-on-hit now because they rekt her AA mechanics and her jumps because her kit is retarded, while Zyra's is totally legit

A Miss Fortune4 votes

Kalista actually still builds the same-ish since her Rend is broken and her passive makes her insanely mobile.

While Zyra's kit is still the same, aside from the fact that she does significantly less damage, her range is significantly reduced, her reliability is non-exisent, and her passive doesn't exist unless they're standing still, she's trash-tier. Kalista on the other hand, is still one of the best ADCs in the game due to her insane mobility, teamfighting, and dueling.

ShowMeTheBooty5 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO1OnO7R,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-05T03:18:23.348+0000)

Yasuo overloaded, he has how many passives again? Like holy crap, I thought ability descriptions weren't suppose to be multiple paragraphs long. Can't even begin on his issues.

Thresh overloaded, literally the only thing he doesn't have as a Support is a heal. CC, peel, a free get-out-of-jail-card for your ADC, shield, engage, disengage, poke, and yes I've seen my fair share of Threshs 1v1 an enemy carry with more than enough damage.

Zyra had a 63% winrate immediately on release and now one of the lowest pick rate champions, nuff said

Darius kite or be killed, can go 20-0 in laning phase but still be useless in teamfights

Kalista infinite dashes, multiple forms of CC, free mobile wards, an infinite stacking rend that basically acts as a 3k damage smite on objectives and can blow up even tanks since it still stacks infinitely. Let's not forget the fact that if Kalista and her bounded target attack the same target, Kalista can deal over 30% of their maximum health in damage

Mordekaiser hur dur im melee i guess its safe 3 say i wnt get pokeded down by ppl with x4 my range! but i get a free dragon pet so i guess its k

LMAO! I lost it at the so accurate Morde description. LOL

rtbf2091425554 votes

Yasuo overloaded, he has how many passives again? Like holy crap, I thought ability descriptions weren't suppose to be multiple paragraphs long. Can't even begin on his issues.

Because he is balanced. He has literally two passives His shield and his ult passive which is really more of a steroid. But muh windwall is Yasuos ability to protect himself in team fights. LITERALLY everymeele ADC has one. Yi has alpha strike and meditate, Fiora has her ult, Tyr has his ult. Yasuo also has way less steroids than these champions making him lack 1v1, but in return brings more ultity and teamfight.

A Miss Fortune24 votes

you know what i got as a resource bar?

mana

you what i have to do to make shields?

spend that mana and buy pots or an athene's

but i guess yasuo trades it for steroids, since an AoE crit, doubled crit chance, lower cooldowns, and 50% armor penetration will never match up to that 60% attack speed buff fiora gets

Troll for Trump9 votes

Yas mains: b-b-b-b-buh he has a 49% winrate. Yeah people know how to counter him now, and he's super popular. Tons of yas's are shitty at playing him. Winrate doesn't mean a champs kit is not OP

Ipols3 votes

Mordekaiser hur dur im melee i guess its safe 3 say i wnt get pokeded down by ppl with x4 my range! but i get a free dragon pet so i guess its k

That's actually going to be his new lore description when the rework goes live.

Also imagine the new champion spotlight where the rioter using morde botlane goes 0/2 and can't farm against intermediate bots.

Rozzeta4 votes

The champion spotlight will display a Mordekaiser 3 levels above the enemy team, with full buil (but you won't be seeing the build, since that's cut out of the video) towerdiving a wood 5 Vayne+Leona Combo and murdering them in a single spell rotation.

You might think I'm exagerating, but believe me that's what they actually do. Leona's spotlight had her murdering entire teams, and that is before all the buffs they gave her so she could elbow all the non engage supports out of the game.

Ipols2 votes

AHAHAHA amazing piece of history, it's always nice to remember those things.

Archenz26 votes

While I'm disgusted with the changes to Skarner and Mord. It's really mean to insult and abuse someone who is just working and might not be the best. It isn't nice.

Downfall24 votes

He's not supposed to be the adc's bitch, hes supposed to be the adc.

DorsalChicken7 votes

Yeah, morde is ment to replace the adc as his W only works on minions HE KILLS. Whic after trying game after game of it on the pbe I have yet to find a matchup that it actually worked it. in evey instance I felt like a huge detriment to the team. the dragon was cool, but if you don't hold drag control as a team it's worthless. he really would need a team built around him, which is impossible in soloq

Axis the Dragon8 votes

He very rarely works in any lane, honestly. And he's very feast-or-famine. If ahead, his Q alone can nearly one-shot someone. Provided you can get ahead to begin with.

ArkenStorm4 votes

as a current morde main, this guy is correct. if you get ahead you are unstoppable. if you get behind there's not much you can do, although you can still pick up some stuff and do decent. check my match history(which looks terrible right now, i've been kinda on tilt and people have been toxic, no communication, just plain sucking, etc. :P)

Axis the Dragon4 votes

Like, current Morde was always like that, except that he could help himself get ahead because of his immense pushing and farming power

Now it's even worse because he can't even help himself - not to mention that one of his skills is flat out useless unless he has an ally/ghost - and that's just a really awkward design to implement.

ArkenStorm3 votes

exactly. exactly this. honestly he's pretty decent right now, scratch the q and w changes and I think that would be great. maybe the whole detonation/heal thing on his w would be ok too, that's kinda cool. also dragon ghost yeah! but even with the AD scaling on his e, maybe reduce the cooldown further, and build item 3124 item 3146 item 3065 item 3158 item 3151 item 3116

Axis the Dragon3 votes

Tried him out on PBE.

Holy shit does his Q nuke. The third hit by itself, did around 2K damage. That's just fucking insane.

The problem is obviously what everyone has pointed out already - catching and sticking to people. The game took a long time to finish (I went top instead of bot, but still). Merc Treads with Furor (they had a lot of CC - enemy support naut, mostly - and magic damage), Rylai's AND Mallet, and Gunblade and Trinity Force. I still couldn't stick to the enemy Corki.

We won the game, but only because our mid Varus was fed out of his ass and was chunking squishies for half their health. Like, his ult and our Leona support are the only reasons I got anywhere with my spells, and even then, I usually either had to blow Flash, or waste Q on a tank, 'cuz I couldn't reach the squishies (the enemy mid was Orianna - who has no real mobility to speak of, mind you).

DrCyanide3 votes

I don't have a PBE account, but I'd imagine a kill lane style support, a support with high zoning potential, or a support with good poke would be needed.

I'm curious how Blitzcrank does with him, since Blitz can pull the enemy into melee range. Shield Blitzcrank to get there faster and deal damage during the knock up.

Zarxis5 votes

{quoted}

He's not supposed to be the adc's bitch, hes supposed to be the adc.

He's going to be the opposing ADC's bitch. His only poke is weaker than ever, and his health regen is still abysmal.

ArkenStorm2 votes

no it scales off AD, so rush gunblade and rageblade....oh wait.

iainB8511 votes

Agreed. All of CertainlyT's champions have made this game less enjoyable for me. While I would never wish for someone to lose their job, maybe he should be moved to a different area of the game... designing champions is clearly not his thing.

He has continually released champions who have been "must pick" since release (Thresh Kalista ) or have had to be constantly nerfed until they barely see the light of day anymore (Yasuo Zyra Darius ).

He seems to have big trouble coming up with a champion that has proper levers to pull to balance them. They are all ridiculous overpowered with their overloaded kits and hidden passives until they finally get their numbers punched in the gut so many times they fall off and Riot leaves them like that.

IxtaliKing10 votes

I see... So CertainlyT is the man I need to talk to about bringing a 10 spell combo caster mage to LoL xD

ArkenStorm7 votes

yes, invoker needs an appearance in league. CertainlyT come hither

Anidan4 votes

"I'm a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance!" "First blood, as indeed I am first in everything!" "My totality eclipses the cosm!" "Whosoever stands against me, stands briefly." "Mark these words: they're the last you'll hear." "You die as you live: insipid and ignorant." "The universe depends on what I remember of it."

He sounds like he'd be a perfect spell-caster version of Draven. I freaking dare them to be a caster in with lines that make him this badass and cocky at the same damn time. I'd play the hell out of him for the personality alone, viability be damned.

ArkenStorm2 votes

problem is you'd have to play blind because he would be permabanned in any draft pick

Ancestor0078 votes

Good ol' Invoker

Madra9 votes

I always have to laugh at Yasuo's kit. First of all, any little bit of displacement and off he goes with an ult, and then he gets 15 seconds of 50% Armor Penetration not only on the people he hits with his ult, but on everyone! What team fight lasts for 15 seconds? They give Yasuo all these tools, but does he need to actually use them in order to one shot a squishy? Nah! Just spam your R button down right behind your Gragas jungler and let the game take over from there! The way this guy tries to pack every single mechanical advantage into his character's kit should disqualify him from game design.

Ermidor8 votes

Insulting Rioters like that won't get you anywhere, it makes your point look weak when you spend half the post complaining about CertainlyT.

Phil Fly18 votes

That's because the post was made to complain about CertainlyT.

Ermidor4 votes

Good job, you successfully acted like a child.

Anidan8 votes

I mean, are we supposed to act like adults when the past has shown that accomplishes literally nothing unless you're directing adult conversations toward the art team?

It seems like the art team is the only department I've seen consistently do something about adult conversation, and even then with the latest Fiora debacle it took some pretty childish stuff there to get anything done, too (I won't ignore the mature conversations held about Fiora's artwork, there was plenty of that, I'm just stating that plenty of childish stuff was necessary, as well). And then there's the Lore team, which has luckily started itself up again with Jaredan, so kudos to them and I hope they keep up the good work to try to ease tensions that still remain.

Ermidor2 votes

Savagely insulting them accomplishes nothing, and they are less likely to do anything about this, but I'll enjoy the downvotes, this board has really gotten saltier since the old one died, hasn't it?

Anidan6 votes

The old forums were just as bad, but it wasn't a reddit-style upvote system so you may not have noticed it. The community has only ever been able to accomplish much in the last several years by using a combination of mature conversation and childishness. One or the other by itself has proven itself unable to accomplish anything ever since Riot stopped visiting the forums often as their company grew. I remember the days when Phreak and Morello would directly comment on balance questions on the forums and answer concerns.. but those days are long since gone.

AutoreactiveCD46 votes

Darius and Zyra I can forgive cause he was just starting and their kits did seem like they fit into the game. Thresh is overloaded but I get they were going for a "positioning" support, and smart use of his abilities is rewarded.

Then Yasuo...This guy looks like he was designed for another game. That wall is debatably more versatile and stronger than Braum's, who was designed around the fact that his wall was so strong.

Kalista...Outside of her passive I think it is a creative and relatively well thought out kit. It has some problems sure but most champs need some fine tuning after release. But then it's like he was upset that people complained about Yasuo's mobility so he decided to troll us by putting that passive on her. BOOM worlds most annoying frog.

FatesDefiler4 votes

certainlyT deserves a rework.

MilamberZ3 votes

As often, the hate against something doesn't make the argument true & valuable.

I'm not in, the current changes applied to morde (as a morde player), but i can't join you in your cry-whine on CertainlyT. Currently, every champions he made have clear weakness & clear strengh. For example, Darius is easy to kite as hell, Yasuo is easy to counter, easy to shutdown & make him useless, kalista is support dependant, without a good coordination, she isn't match of other adc. Well and zyra, i don't know, she's not a unic CertainlyT design, the only problem isn't the kit, but the ratio she have. Of course, it doesn't made them funny to play against, but this is a normal point, when you play, you don't have to be happy to play against this or this champion, you have to be happy to play the champion you took, in a given situation

Since i'm playing yasuo, & you talk about him:

  • Double crit chance is the main power source of yasuo, without this, he is literally nothing. Too squishy for long fight, not enough strong for win against an other fighter, nor an adc with a normal positionning
  • Actually, the shield isn't 25% of his health, it depends on his level, not the hp. You are against a shield which have a time of 1s, useful only against poke mage and ranged champion, which he is designed to be a good counter.
  • As often, the famous "infinite dash" of yasuo, truly funny. He have an high mobility only with minions around him, the dash cannot be perform for 10-6s on the same target. What an instant dash & infinite, indeed.
  • About the windwall, like i said, he's supposed to be a fighter, a hypercarry able to kill adc, & mage with ranged attack, the cooldown is always high, it's easy to force him on use it. After a yasuo used the windwall, he'll be easy to attack during a good time. But hey, it's too hard to use the brain in a teamfight?
  • Now let's talk about the ultimate. The ultimate is the main & current problem in yasuo: in the hand of a good team compo, it's gamebreaker. But, usually, yasuo die just after performed this ulti, due to his squishy fish state I think a up to the cooldown is needed (40/50s as Talon ulti maybe). For the 50% of penetration on BONUS Armor, maybe the time should be reduced to 7-10s, enough for be able to deal damage to tanks.
Audiomancy5 votes

{quoted} Actually, the shield isn't 25% of his health, it depends on his level, not the hp. You are against a shield which have a time of 1s, useful only against poke mage and ranged champion, which he is designed to be a good counter.

Sorry, but I'd just like to point out that while the shield isn't an actual % value of Yasuo's HP, it is around 20 – 25% of his base consistently throughout the game. With his max HP being 518 – 1912 and his shield at 100 – 510.

MilamberZ2 votes

Good to know, thanks !

SexInTheCivic3 votes

CertainlyT needs a nerf.

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