Zilean mini rework idea?

Blacephalon·12/3/2018, 2:46:23 AM·1 votes·954 views

Now i dont think zilean is overpowered by any means, i just think hes annoying and unfun to play against so i had an idea, why not give him the Soraka treatment? (As in Soraka cant heal herself with W = Zilean cant ult himself) giving him outplay potential (as well as getting him out of midlane) and im aware this will destroy his winrate so some compensating buffs would be in place like maybe increases zileans base states, tankiness, or his Q damage maybe

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Dorans Pants12/3/2018, 3:49:57 AM2 votes

Idk one of the things I like about zilean is that in comparison to most non-tank supports ( and even some tanks sometimes ) it´s not as easy to focus you down, so you get to participate in a fight for more than 3 seconds, whereas usually a Zed, Lb, irelia etc. would just head dive into 3 people just to kill you of all people.

If there wasn´t such a crazy amount of mobility and supports weren´t 3 lvls down on average it may be possible to play around that limitation, but as it stands right now. If you are a squishy support and the enemy has an at least semi mobile top- or midlaner that laner will almost always be able to oneshot you no matter how good you try to position yourself.

And that´s what everyone would do just like they do now to soraka. Focus her like crazy an depending on how good the engage was or if people actually help out the support for once you either win or lose the game. But one thing is for sure, the soraka player will most likely die either way and I can´t imagine a person willing to voluntarily put himself in that position because it is completely unfun even if you win the game at the end.

You sit there like "ooooook so they blew at least 3 flashes 2 ults and 1 ign for good measure just to kill me which was complete overkill. And for that stupid decision, they threw the game, fine." But if someone asked me if I enjoyed the game, I would answer "hell no" because it would require to be able to play the game for more than 4 min.

So with that said, I would not agree with changing the ult the way you described because it fucks his playstyle over no matter where you want to play him. You would straight up have no ult as a midlaner and as a support your ult would be super conditional and unusable in most circumstances as everyone will just make sure to focus you so that you can´t ult yourself but also can´t ult your adc before you die. Right now when it´s more about "who can one shot the other guy from two screens away first" than "who can position correctly" you would have to play so passively that no one would bother to play Zilean at all. When you look at it most of the popular mage supports usually fight either from really really far away like velk or can still deal dmg even after dying like brand and zyra because as a mage support, who can be killed so effortlessly, u will get focused and die eventually and in these cases Zilean´s ult would be completely useless and I don´t think some base-stats or scalings could balance that out.

I can only see 3 potential outcomes:

  • the 3 remaining zilean player stop playing the champ
  • people try go for a tanky, more ultility focused build
  • people try to play him as a jgler to use the ult for counterganks and other clutch moments
GreenKnight12/3/2018, 3:01:45 AM1 votes

Enough with the reworks...