Upvote for: Global during night reset system for first win of the day bonus

sonicstar2000·Nov 19, 2017·85 votes·1,879 views

I always thought that Warframe was the only game with a first whatever of the day bonus to get the system right. It always felt bad that I never was able to get the first win of the day bonus when playing earlier in the day, than when i got it the prievious day. It's almost like the game wants you to structure your day around it if you want the bonus.

The way it works in Warframe is that the system resets somewhen during the night time depending on which server you are plying on and not 24 (think it's 22 for League) hours since you got the last bonus. That ensures you always get the bonus if it's the first time of you playing that day independent from when you got it the last day.

As it can only see positive aspects of a system like that an no way to get the bonus more than once a day it would be what I'd whish for in League.

32 Comments

Zone of EndlessNov 19, 201712 votes

it would be great if Riot made first win of the day reset at a scheduled time instead of the way it is right now. There's no reason not to do it.

jawd55Nov 19, 20174 votes

While it does suck in some regards they don't do this because it would give incentive for people to play one game late at night, just before the reset, and one game just after the reset. Riot doesn't want this because then people will log in disproportionately at these times for the reset to maximize xp earnings. They want first win of the day to be an incentive to play no matter your schedule. Personally first win of the day doesn't make enough of a difference for me to matter that much, but I can see why Riot doesn't want to have people feel like they need to play at a certain time to maximize earnings.

Remlap1223Nov 20, 20171 votes

To be fair, this wouldn't be an issue if they didn't make the new system feel so terrible in the fist place.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20172 votes

You wouldn't have to play at night to maximize earnigs. You can play one game at like 5 pm friday get first win and play another on saturday 10 am and get it there too. But you couldn't get it more than once a day

FlemmanNov 20, 20171 votes

but you could get 2 in one session of play. Say I play from 23pm to 1am, I now only need to play 4 time a week to proc the 7 first win of the day

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

Yeah of course. But you don't get more than others who play normally so it doesn't really matter.

FlemmanNov 20, 20171 votes

then I ask you this, why the current system is a problem in your opinion?

To me, the 2 hours we get because of the actual system (22h instead of 24h cycle) cover enough time between first win for the bonus to drop at the same time, or even before, each day

If you play each day at 6pm for exemple and won one of your 3 game of the day, chance are high that, next day at the same hour, the first win bonus will be available again when you lauch the game

Change the timer to resset at a fix hour will no change a thing for player who play normally (one session at fixed time slot) and will only benefit player who play the game around midnight

KloqdqNov 20, 20172 votes

The problem is it warps you to play to a certain schedule. If I play at 11 o'clock one night, I now need to stay up to 11 the next night even though this night I need to go to sleep early for work or something. Why it can't just reset at 12-3 is beyond my understanding. There is legit no downside to a set daily reset.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

exactly

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

No. You see I often play to different times. I might play one day at 8pm another 5pm and the next at around 3pm. So it often happens to me that i can't get first win of the day (in that example the 5pm day) and have to wait until i play the next day to get it.

With the system I described I could get my first win of the day every day no matter when I play instead of missing out on some days because I played to a later time the privious day than the current one.

LeetriNov 20, 20172 votes

It's not about getting more than others, it's about that a LOT of people will log in on the exact same hours every night and cause massive waits in the login queue and maybe even lag in-game because the server is put under a lot of stress. Now when everyone has individual resets people log in at different hours.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 20, 20174 votes

Immediate -1 for that title. You have the option for making a poll, so putting in "Upvote for (x)" is nothing but begging for upvotes.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

Of course you could say that. But I don't think it is a bad thing to ask for upvotes on a legitimate cause. And making a poll doesn't get people to see the post and therefore is only usefull if you have enough upvotes to make a difference (= Riot notices it).

Velzard of KozNov 20, 20172 votes

Yeah but they usually close posts begging for upvotes like this. Maybe the actual poll will save you.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

oh ok didn't know that

JA StullaNov 19, 20173 votes

I prefer how it was last season.

Ashen RiderNov 20, 20178 votes

It was exactly the same last season

JA StullaNov 20, 20173 votes

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It was exactly the same last season

You can enter a game with 15 minutes left on the first win and if you cop that W you get it. Now you have to sit and wait for it depending on how much time is left depending on your queue and expected time to close the game.

Ashen RiderNov 20, 20171 votes

Oh, I didn't realize that. Your original comment made it seem as if the FWOtD was completely different last season.

KloqdqNov 20, 20173 votes

Any game that resets it's bonuses based on when you got this is just cancer. I don't want to be forced to get my bonus at 12 AM because I stayed up to then playing league.

notice me Sin piNov 19, 20172 votes

only problem i have with night time reset system is that it would cause server lag for all players in-game for one second when the reset happens. If you have played other online games where everyone gets reset at same time, then you might know what im talking about.

AMYS GRAVENov 20, 20173 votes

There's no reason for server lag, not everyone's account needs to be updated at the exact same moment. The only accounts that need to be updated right away are the people who are online but not in game, because if you are in game it can update the FWotD flag as you are leaving game and then do the necessary checks, and if you aren't online it can update the flag when you log in.

DepressedAhriNov 20, 20171 votes

I don't think you understand how this works. If the timer resets at a specific time daily, the server has to load that for EVERYONE, even people with their first win still pending. It would be the exact same system with daily quest resets in WoW, which lags the server LIKE HELL for 2-3 seconds, which is just too risky of a situation in League of Legends. What if that 2-3 seconds is a teamfight in someone's ranked game? That ruins the game for at least 10 people. Personally, for the needs an concerns Riot has as a company, I think this system is working just fine. Most players play around the same time every day, anyways.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20172 votes

I do a bit of programming so I know thats not how it works. Your client could save date of the day you got first win the last time. After every game or when you log in it checks wether it is a new day (by asking the server for the current time) and if not how long it takes for you to be able to get it again and can then display that for you. That would mean not everybody is resetting at once and because the check is on the client's side and there aren't large amounts of data tranfered it wouldn't affect the server in a meaningful way. And this is only one suggestion of many onther lag free implementaitions.

DepressedAhriNov 20, 20171 votes

Okay, but do you know how many people play this game DAILY? That will slow down the server as a whole, all day long. EDIT: This isn't about programming, it is about how powerful each server can be.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20174 votes

what do you think happens when you look at someone else's profile or the ranked ladder. That requests data from the server (more data than a simple time stamp) and it has too be updated constantly. As well as after every game played data is updated on the server for every player. And this is all not considering the actual data traffic during a game. And if all this doesn't cause the server to lag requesting the current server time won't either.

AMYS GRAVENov 20, 20171 votes

I don't think you understand how this works.

No need to be rude.

If the timer resets at a specific time daily, the server has to load that for EVERYONE

Not true, as i stated the only accounts that need to be updated right away are the people who are online but not in game. The rest can wait. Just because WOW implemented their system poorly doesn't mean that's the only way to implement it.

Source: i am a software engineer.

sonicstar2000Nov 20, 20171 votes

yay another person who knows what they are talking about

Ariel the CruelNov 20, 20172 votes

As it can only see positive aspects of a system like that

Don't know that's it necessarily a negative, but you can actually abuse that to keep pets from degrading. Freeze them right before the reset, and thaw them right after. If you have a bunch of credits and the upgrade module, the thaw timer becomes inconsequential compared to getting stabilizers all the time.

YambrinZNov 20, 20171 votes

Warframe got it right? Every game besides LoL has it right. AFAIK LoL is the only game whose "daily" doesnt reset at a set time every day. And for literally no reason.

YuGiHoNov 20, 20171 votes

hots resets at 6am, its pretty great

AeszarckNov 20, 20171 votes

I don't get why the current system is so hated.

I like how it resets a day after I won last, but gives me a two hour grace period so that it's not like I'm forced to win at a later and later time every day.
If I really wanted to I could even play a ton and get more first wins of the day than possible with the other system.
It doesn't make one time of day more or less popular than the others. People can play when they want.

I like League of Legend's system better than all other games' systems.