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Conquerer Garen is broken

Famous Gay Actor·10/10/2019, 5:38:30 AM·11 votes·2,282 views

Before we begin this discussion, let me say Garen has been in need of some changes for a really long time.

Then we got this rework, and dear God... it's strong. Too strong.

Garen's kit is ridiculously oppressive now. His Silence which used to be manageable now feels like an eternity as you watch your HP bar slip away and you can do nothing because you're still silenced. Then that sword comes crashing down as Garen deals justice to your face in the form of True Damage. The real issue I have with Garen's kit is his E. There is simply put too much damage in the one ability and the way it synergizes with Conquerer is absolutely disgusting. You get Armor Shred after 6 spins, the amount of spins you get increases with attack speed, you deal 25% more damage if you're the closest target, and it stacks up Conquerer. This is just absurd in how much damage Garen can put out. Riot, come on now. This should be hotfixed.

16 Comments

Noodle Wacker10/10/2019, 5:59:25 AM5 votes

Just counter it with hp and armor. Most Garens I've played against since the new update go full attack speed or even slightly bruiser. Anyone who goes hp with some armor can manage a Garen easily.

While his E and Conqueror are annoying to deal with, theres multiple ways to avoid it easily.

  1. HP and Armor
  2. Movement Speed Slows or Immobilizing abilities (Glacial Augment with slow items or abilities recommended)
  3. Blinds (Teemo Q basically the only real working one)
  4. Kite him by using high mobility characters like Vayne
  5. Go head on with a good Bruiser (Darius, Morde, even Mundo) with Conqueror
  6. Possibly the best choice of all.... Ban him.
Jesi Oni10/10/2019, 5:53:10 AM4 votes

It was known in PBE and they did nothing... You expect a hotfix now?

https://media.tenor.com/images/fca1069c7c0bce7b981e3d8066558d6b/tenor.gif

True Garen10/10/2019, 5:54:16 AM4 votes

#LeaveGarenAlone

5050BS10/10/2019, 6:31:22 AM4 votes

His E is Urgots W BUT

  1. Scales with attack speed
  2. Can Crit
  3. Does not slow him
  4. is AOE

It has ALWAYS been Garens OP issue.
Its why in URF he is broken

Riot messed up (like 90% of the time)

What he SHOULD be is a tank. Hard to kill but also does not kill FAST. If you kit him you can kill him. But you cant kit him

True Garen10/11/2019, 4:00:06 AM1 votes

Garen was intentionally released overtuned, as is often done with reworks. Nerfs were planned long before he was released.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M10/29/2019, 9:32:00 PM1 votes

He is a stronger laner, but a weaker teamfighter, as the Old W's damage reduction was way better vs multiple enemies than the current shield for Obvious reasons, Damage reduction's damage mitigated is a % of all dmg taken while the shield is a flat mitigation.

He is now a lot stronger in 1v1-3v3 skirmish/duel type situations but is FAR more killable in 5v5 scenarios where he is somewhat focued.

IMO it is a targeted nerf to Garen/yuumi which i think the rebalance of his passive proves this as well b/c it regens more early and not as ridiculously fast later in the game, which was a massive strength of garen yuumi that even if you got him down to 25% hp if he got away hed be back near full in ~15 sec. But as far as garen as a solo top laner its changes he needed. And I'm just so glad the villan BS is gone.