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Can we address the problem of the Jungle in Low Elo

Famous Gay Actor·6/13/2019, 6:51:42 AM·3 votes·1,932 views

This one is a pet peeve of mine. I feel like about 75% of my games in Low Elo I end up on the side of the coin where I don't have any jungle pressure because every time I see the enemy jungler, he always has more farm and is always ganking when he has the time to. Meanwhile, my jungler, even when presented with the best opportunity, decides his Raptors are more important than helping a lane get into a position to carry the game. And before you go saying "be patient", I'm usually very patient. When I'm about to go 0/3 and am down a LOT of CS due to having to give up the lane because challenging my (now) fed laner is pointless, I'm going to ask for something, even if its just a little bit of threat to convince him to back off so I can grab a wave for an item. I'm not pushy. I just don't like being thrown around like a rag doll and feeling like it's all for nothing because my jungler isn't doing a damn thing.

Riot please, can you do something to help teach Junglers how to jungle. It's so frustrating when 90% of my games are decided not by action but lack of action from junglers.

10 Comments

Xintium6/13/2019, 7:20:35 AM1 votes

Unfortunately, there is very little Riot can do. The issue of junglers dictating the game is a recurring problem: Riot tried many times in the past to "balance" the Jungle. During some patches, junglers were 1 level ahead of solo-laners, in other patches they were 1 level behind and felt useless. The pendulum has swung in both directions. Observe also that this is not at all a Low Elo problem. If you watch pro play, some teams lose the game merely due to their jungler being inactive on the map (in previous seasons, this got meme'd into "NA Jungler" for a jungler who does nothing).

The only suggestions I can give you are: (1) ward; (2) watch the map frequently; (3) play as if you are 1v2 (enemy laner+enemy jungler) unless enemy jungler is spotted elsewhere; (4) try to learn Jungle timings and paths (although this isn't as useful as it sounds, since nothing prevents a jungler from deviating from "standard" paths, and it also varies greatly, but it is still better than nothing).

Zezilian6/13/2019, 10:39:37 AM1 votes

Jungle should be a lane rather than a tool to singlehandedly influence a win. I rather prefer junglers to be weaker than stronger. We already have too much mobility and variables in the game even without jungle presence.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M6/20/2019, 9:48:37 PM1 votes

The problem is, with JG xp nerfs/changes, skuttlecrab changes, dragons spawning faster, the more skilled/experienced Jungler gets a far bigger advantage and makes a more significant impact than a lower skilled jg.

For example it used to be 2 buffs and a camp or buff camp skuttle and Jg gets 3 on their 1st clear, now its fully clear redside for lvl 3, other 3 camps starts will leave you at lvl 2, which means you will not be able to contest skuttle (assuming neither teams laners collapse).

B/c of JG xp and camp respawn changes, pathing in the Jg is more important than ever, keeping your JG cleared while being in a position to punish enemy laners over-extending etc.

I jungle almost exclusively and am low elo, and I notice that either the enemy jungler is farming up a storm but rarely helping his lanes, or is spam ganking but not clearing his jungle efficiently, This generally puts them behind me in both levels and items because unless all my laners are hard losing (doomed game for a jungler most times, b/c eventually even my jungle wont be mine anymore), i am pretty good at keeping my jungle cleared, taking skuttles and ganking when i see an opportunity. And thats without even mentioning playing around objectives like dragons and herald.

Hope this explanation helped. Its funny riot nerfed the JG b/c of the "jg decides the game" memes, but all it did was make the difference between a good and bad jungler that much more noticable.