Question for Nasus defenders and Kassadin attackers.

RedTrinketGoneHa·Mar 2, 2015·6 votes·1,127 views

So let me ask a simple question, it's not OP when people don't mega hard counter Nasus with like 2 viable champs, but when Kassadin doesn't get countered it's OP? I mean Kassadin has way more counters than Nasus( pretty much all AD champs that can be played mid, (Riven, Zed, Talon, even Akali...), once Nasus get's like 30% cdr the game is pretty much done, he will split, farm and just heal all your harass with his BS 2 second Q and 20% lifesteal. I mean even if you do counter Nasus, if they have an anti push comp that allows them to get to lategame it's over. Stop defending your trash freelo champ.

#ToneDownNasus2015.

23 Comments

UperiorMar 2, 20154 votes

Why would you want to ruin one of the only balanced tanks left in the game that is still somewhat useful?

The only things he has left in team fights is the lifesteal and slow. With the huge influx of highly mobile champs, stuns, and cc, Nasus isn't any better than any other late game champ.

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20151 votes

I wasnt aware Nasus still had team fight potential left in him Why would I want to slowly walk toward a high priority target and slowly beat him to death 2 or 3 Qs taking up 6~7 seconds which is relatively slow considering how fast things happen in team fights all while threatened of being melted down, cced, peeled away, kited, etc.

With all the speedy dive and burst champs out there doing the adc busting job way better than Nasus

RedTrinketGoneHaMar 2, 20151 votes

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I wasnt aware Nasus still had team fight potential left in him Why would I want to slowly walk toward a high priority target and slowly beat him to death 2 or 3 Qs taking up 6~7 seconds which is relatively slow considering how fast things happen in team fights all while threatened of being melted down, cced, peeled away, kited, etc.

With all the speedy dive and burst champs out there doing the adc busting job way better than Nasus

Cause you have a slow on a 6 second CD that lasts for 5 seconds

#Balanced.

And don't forget you're tanky AF so you don't really die, 1 Q will heal 25% hp

#Balanced

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20151 votes

so he has a spammable slow with just about as much or even less impact than an AoE hard cc found in the kits of many other champs death is still a rather slow process that allows for alot of counter play when it comes to Nasus why isnt Alistar OP? or Malphite... their hard engage, hard cc, could instantly have you killed on the spot with little to no counter play. High cooldown or not, the impact is immense and immediately felt. how about you elaborate on why you feel this slow is broken in a team fight

No, you're not tanky AF, tanks arent very tanky in league.. This is a known fact that any tank easily melts in a team fight your life steal claim is an exaggeration, even Maokai with % damage reduction and % health healing is not only tankier than Nasus, but arguably not that tanky at all either

NeroYamatoXMar 2, 20153 votes

Nasus makes the game a 4v5 until 30 minutes. Play for objectives and punish him for afk split-pushing. If the enemy have an anti-push comp around Nasus then good job for them, they actually made a good comp. You lose to the team, not Nasus.

DMouseslayerMar 2, 20153 votes

You know, from the amount of people complaining about Nasus who are in my ELO, I think I should play him more :/

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20152 votes

Nasus is strong but not exactly carry hard strong Nasus's weakness lies in the incompetency of his allies if you cant even win a 4 v 5 while Nasus is fapping to minions, Nasus is NOT the problem you should be worrying about Nasus is even less likely to carry late game because items scale faster than Q stack does Nasus will also melt like any other tank in a team fight Finally Nasus's damage output despite having a shit ton of stacks is no where near fast or consistent enough compared to a late game carry... so what if he has a 2 second Q that does 1000 damage, he has no armor pen anyway aint got shit against any other late game dps with last whisper pumping out 700 damage twice a second the fact that he has no gap closers and requires a whopping 2~~3 Q stacks to KO a squishy, Which I may add is atleast 6~~7 seconds Really? 6~7 seconds in a team fight? lol no man

any assassin despite not being tanky, can invalidate high priority target significantly faster than Nasus can

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20152 votes

How I interpret all of this

Nasus has little counters, kay agreed
Nasus is a good split pusher when he has the team comp that allows it, kay also agreed
Bullshit lane sustain has 30% cdr, pretty much yeah

well thats all nice but its not very convincing as to why we need to tone down Nasus considering theres a long list of other things regarding why Nasus is okay

RedTrinketGoneHaMar 2, 20151 votes

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How I interpret all of this

Nasus has little counters, kay agreed

Nasus is a good split pusher when he has the team comp that allows it, kay also agreed

Bullshit lane sustain has 30% cdr, pretty much yeah

well thats all nice but its not very convincing as to why we need to tone down Nasus considering theres a long list of other things regarding why Nasus is okay

Because if they pick their team comp right it's literally an auto win if the Nasus has at least a half a brain, and there is nothing you can do about it. At least versus other well picked team comps there are holes opened for mistakes and counterplay. I see 0 counterplay in playing vs Nasus, the only thing I could think of is Kass top, and that's not so good now that his ult range was reduced cause he can't escape his bullshit 5 second wither anymore.

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20152 votes

I'ma need you to elaborate on what team comp or style or play you are talking about I can only assume you are talking about siege/anti siege/ stalling and split pushing comps its hardly Nasus who makes this type of play OP Caitlyn Janna Xerath Nidalee Udyr In this sort of comp, Nasus can be replaced by pretty much ANY OTHER split push champ so why single out just this one Nasus? I can argue that many high AD, high AS, high clear , high speed Split pushing champs like Zed Udyr Tryndamere does the job just as good or better than Nasus What more these champions actually have some impact early and mid game

RedTrinketGoneHaMar 2, 20151 votes

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I'ma need you to elaborate on what team comp or style or play you are talking about I can only assume you are talking about siege/anti siege/ stalling and split pushing comps its hardly Nasus who makes this type of play OP In this sort of comp, Nasus can be replaced by pretty much ANY OTHER split push champ so why single out just this one Nasus? I can argue that many high AD, high AS, high clear , high speed Split pushing champs like does the job just as good or better than Nasus What more these champions actually have some impact early and mid game

But not all anti siege comps can stop you from pushing if you get a little bit ahead, with nasus even if you get ahead and are winning, if you can't push quite as fast cause the other team has say caitlyn and xerath, you're virtually fk'd, cause he will come in with 550+ stacks and 1 shot ur adc,

#KassadinGuttedForSameReason.

Leti the YetiMar 2, 20151 votes

actually if you cant push quite as fast cause the other team has say caitlyn and xerath, Nasus would be pushing down your inhibitor turrets lmao pretty sure thats the strategy behind teams that can bunker down behind a turret lol

again, you can replace nasus with just about anyone else, no.. you dont take Nasus for his adc busting that only possible during the mid game when its more skirmish than team fight and assassins doa way better job busting adcs anyway

DestructoDaveMar 2, 20152 votes

I dont see the problem with Nasus. Hes shut down by just about any tank with CC, and he really only kills squishy targets, which he wont do until 30-40 minutes into the game.

The main issue with him is split pushing your towers down. How you guys are getting wrecked by him in teamfights is beyond my comprehension. If you are an ADC, you should have a QSS 40 minutes into the game when he finallly decides to join a team fight, to which you just QSS his slow, and run away from him or even kill him if you are farmed, which is far easier than you think when you arent withered.

Yea, if everyone on your team is a squishy assassin or carry, and you have low amounts of CC, hes going to shred your face. But one tanky member on your team with CC can completely shut him down in a team fight, which is why he's usually split pushing more than team fighthing. Nasus never gets LW, so if he is forced to beat on someone tanky, he doesnt do anything.

The problem is, people refuse to build defensive items, like QSS, or they play "carry" champs, to where if he manages to get on you, he can blow you up. Esp in my elo, I think in the last 100 games I'm the only person I've ever seen build a QSS. The only one. I recently 100-0 a farmed nasus as Caitlyn, and he never hit me once. I QSS'd wither, and proceeded to kite and murder him. I've been the tanky peel, and just spammed gragas barrels and taunts all over him and made him useless.

Really, if there is one thing you can cry about, its his ability to split push towers down and how annoying that is, but its probably less annoying than tryndamere or YI, imo.

Joe DreddMar 2, 20151 votes

agreed fuck nasus

OxBakerMar 2, 20151 votes

Nasus is like the tank version of Lee Sin in RIOT's eyes. If people complain too much about him they nerf Sion instead...

TyWdtSHg1KMar 2, 20151 votes

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Nasus is like the tank version of Lee Sin in RIOT's eyes. If people complain too much about him they nerf Sion instead...

actually sion is sitting on a 55 winrate.

Not the best example of underpowered champ if u ask me

Irelia BotMar 2, 20151 votes

I honestly wish nasus had higher mana costs on his Q again.

He was a strong pick season 2 but had clearly defined down sides.

JusticePauldronsMar 2, 20151 votes

What I hate about Susan is how he is a guaranteed lane win. He is a time bomb and how well you do against him does nothing but slow down the timer. Eventually he will be a massive threat no matter how easily you laned against him. He is rewarded too much for each individual cs he gets because it just makes him that much better and the only real solution is to devote multiple targets to harassing him. We need a way to force him to care about staying power in lane, instead of just giving it all to him. My only real solution to this would be to either

A: Reduce the passive amount of lifesteal he has early game so he cares about his lane opponent somewhat.

B: Increase his mana costs or lower his mana regen to prevent his easy slow escapes and be forced to focus on making his Q's count.

Volt CruelerzMar 2, 20151 votes

I like the continued existence of Nasus as he is not because I like playing as or against him (I actually hate both), but rather because of the strategic diversity he causes. He puts the game on a clock because if you don't win in time, Nasus turns into a wrecking ball. No other champion can do that to a game. Ideally Azir could as well, but his balance is wonky right now.

RedTrinketGoneHaMar 2, 20151 votes

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I like the continued existence of Nasus as he is not because I like playing as or against him (I actually hate both), but rather because of the strategic diversity he causes. He puts the game on a clock because if you don't win in time, Nasus turns into a wrecking ball. No other champion can do that to a game. Ideally Azir could as well, but his balance is wonky right now.

Aaaaaand that's exactly why he should not be allowed to exist in his current state, if they build an anti push comp, speaking of this game has a Nasus vs and they have Cait, Leona, Vi, Annie, how to finish game before 20 mins?

Sightless66Mar 2, 20151 votes

Pick Janna or Ali and finish the game happily no matter how late it goes.

Volt CruelerzMar 2, 20151 votes

Ok, don't push towers as much. But you can control dragon and baron and then shove in regardless of their comp.

OddysseasMar 2, 20151 votes

I find him easy to counter with vladimir. I think nasus tho is very op i have made a previous board about his q getting nerfed, i think it should, once he farmas it good its like have a ult Garen up every two seconds, that is too op