[SINGED] New Passive Idea: Gas Pressure

Kaamos·3/12/2016, 5:04:41 PM·303 votes·10,144 views

Singed is all about spamming laugh playing with pressure, and I think it would be cool thematically and gameplay-wise if his kit also revolved around pressure. A lot of Singed players realize that Archangel's and RoA are usually sub-optimal build picks despite the innate synergy. My suggestion is that his current boring and relatively useless passive is scrapped completely, along with his use of mana as a resource entirely.

Singed's resource could be gas pressure. Singed could indefinitely cast his poison trail, but to a diminishing effect; without considering any numbers at all, a low pressure Singed might have a poison trail both smaller in size and less consistent (rather than a continuous stream). A high pressure Singed on the other hand would have a larger trail, and at max pressure perhaps there could be an interaction upon double-tapping Q that would release a large radius gas plume, poisoning and blinding enemies. This could be a volatile (/L) resource that is lost while casting Q, and builds up while not casting Q. While ulting, pressure would increase at a substantial rate.

Since Riot is no stranger to compound passives, it would be great to see his shield come into play as well! It's been suggested several times that the direction Singed faces impacts the amount of damage he takes-- i.e. facing the attack head on with his shield reduces damage.

I think both of these changes would make the oldest champ in the game more interesting and stylized. He's already the most unique champion, but it would be cool if he was enough of an oddball to have his own resource. Upvote if you agree!

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EDIT: After a day of comments, this has garnered a lot more attention than I expected. I want to give a big "thank you!" to everyone who has increased the visibility of this post and has commented with their own interesting ideas! It's encouraging that so many people agree that Singed's kit has a lot of potential, even without being too complicated. Here are a few refinements that have cropped up in the past 24 hours as a result of concerns and brainstorming in the comments section:

The standard rate of gas pressure growth could increase upon ranking up Singed's ult at 6, 11, and 16, so that Singed's resource doesn't feel infinite in the early game but is still liberal in the late game.

Singed's E, W, and max pressure plume could cost him some gas pressure to use, and the strength of E and W could be impacted by the amount of pressure Singed has.

The max pressure plume might be too toxic in early lane phase; it could be tied as a passive to Singed's ult. Alternatively, it could be given a decently long cooldown.

Building mana could be worthwhile without being mandatory. Even if Singed's resource isn't mana, his "amount" of mana could be recorded in his passive. His shield's damage mitigation to front facing targets could scale off of this number. So if you want to be a very tanky Singed who faces all of his troubles head on, mana is still your friend.

132 Comments

Slythion3/12/2016, 5:26:37 PM52 votes

Now I only enjoy being a toxic arse every once and awhile, but holy crap I love this idea. Rito please do this

theArtifacts3/12/2016, 7:48:33 PM28 votes

This is pretty cool. Rather than a double tap though I think it would be cool to just have a conical burst of poisonous gas come out at the beginning of this poison trail when at full pressure.

Perhaps the gas is actually laughing gas and causes the enemy champs to laugh!

charcharmunro3/12/2016, 5:49:14 PM13 votes

I'm not sure if getting rid of mana for Singed entirely would be... Healthy? That said, this sort of idea could be neat. Perhaps some additional functions to his other abilities interacting with it, too, such as Fling increasing in distance based on pressure or some such. He DOES need an actual passive, and this could be quite good without stifling his current gameplay style.

TheHaddo3/12/2016, 7:42:56 PM9 votes

we need a petition for this >.< especially the "max pressure" singed could have amazing potential

Umbernox3/12/2016, 6:34:29 PM8 votes

But honestly rito. Please. This is a great idea. Singed is a very fun champ for me to play. My only issue is that early game, he runs out of mana quickly. especially if you are trying to farm how a singed should. So I think that this idea would greatly improve Singed presence and his enjoyability while playing. :D

TaoistMaster3/12/2016, 5:12:02 PM4 votes

10/10 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Great work.

Dicerson3/13/2016, 12:54:26 AM4 votes

So to break it down;

Singed's natural resource would be gas pressure, instead of mana. As he uses abilities that use his gas his pressure decreases, and the power of said abilities diminishes. Certain abilities could increase or regenerate pressure at an advanced rate, such as his ult (which I imagine would simply stop the pressure from decreasing while poison trail is in use), as well as taking reduced damage from abilities that hit him from the front due to his shield. I imagine his flip would be renamed to something that has to do with pumping, and that the force of the pump (which increases his pressure, i'd assume) could also be used to flip opponents in front of him behind him. If it was not reliant on targeting and simply an activated ability that hit in a small AoE in front of singed (like a poppy ult at melee range but with the singed backwards throw effect).

All of this would make singed a champion centric almost entirely on intelligent positioning and resource management, effectively requiring the person playing the mad genius to be a mad genius.

I approve.

FurryBiscuittt3/12/2016, 6:35:23 PM3 votes

Big thumbs up. Singed was one of my first champs I ever acquired and his boring and borderline useless passive was always one of my issues with him. This keeps the the decision of keeping his Q up relavent at all stages of the game, avoids the frustration of flings huge cost early game and stops people from questioning why you aren't building ROA or tear.

Randomonium3/12/2016, 6:13:21 PM3 votes

I might actually play singed with these changes.

CeexSett3/12/2016, 5:55:46 PM3 votes

One of the best Rework Suggestions I have ever seen here in the Boards, great job. It would give him some more depth and make him have more counterplay windows. Should he get Pressure for each second he doesn't use his Q, something like a Shyvana Fury Passive?

Captain Aishi3/12/2016, 8:12:46 PM3 votes

and with his new shield passive, shaco becomes his biggest counterpick :P

Z Statistic3/13/2016, 3:15:58 AM3 votes

RoA is literally one of if not the best item on him, the other contender being Rylai's. His passive is mostly there for giving him some more flexibility in tank items like FH.

španksta3/13/2016, 5:51:06 AM3 votes

Maybe the gas pressure could somehow work like Rumble's heat resource? The pressure hits a certain cap and then the gas explosion occurs, but in the meantime Singed is silenced for a brief period.

SettDownShutUp3/13/2016, 6:54:56 PM3 votes

Wait.... SINGED HAS A PASSIVE?

SingedMakesMeTxc3/12/2016, 7:08:45 PM2 votes

Please don't do this to me. I don't like change. summoner 3

But in all seriousness Singed's power comes in late game, and the unstoppable nature of his core, and you've definitely managed to capture it into his passive, the only problems is the literal inconsistency of his poison early game. If you want somebody to chase you or proxy, that's gonna screw things up. Why not just have his trail last as on the screen?

And yeah, I totally dig this idea, and this can be great for helping balancing champs like Ryze too, but this is also going to take a lot of Singed's natural tankiness away, not to mention, he'll be able to rush heavy damage items like Liandy's or Rylai's, or hell with the new bulwark changes, a Dead man's or Righteous for a more heavy duty Singed, which can allow him to stomp a ton considering mana is entirely removed.

But yeah! It sounds pretty great, but it'll probably involve tons of tweaking and getting used to if Riot's gonna use it. I Just don't want them to make him another Juggernaut.

InSingedWeTrust3/16/2016, 10:13:21 PM2 votes

How is there still no red here?

Jofeyy3/14/2016, 6:12:46 PM2 votes

Can we get a red to comment on this? This is genius!

InSingedWeTrust3/15/2016, 11:39:26 PM2 votes

Riot, please?

Samflash33/13/2016, 5:13:13 PM1 votes

Its a decent idea. Problem is that there arent great items for Singed to build as an AP tank. Now if his resource was changed, he,d be locked out of a few more.