Kayles Balance

Imperial Japan··2 votes·612 views

I believe that Kayle is a quite unbalanced champion. It is not the fact of her having a On-hit ranged AoE AP scaling auto attack or a heal, slow, and not even her invincibility ultimate but the combination of the auto-attacks and her ult. Usually champions who are auto-attack based are also very vulnerable with only minor abilities or passives to protect themselves but Kayle is a ranged carry who not only can shred tanks and carries and assassins alike while being able to survive upfront damage or burst from any back line divers or assassins and to makes this worse, if the kayle is behind, she can also shield allies which could cause the fed ally ADC or midlaner to survive even more and output TONS OF DAMAGE™. Some tweaks I may personally suggest are to make the ability like that of Taric or Jax (but with just damage reduction) as to preserve the damage absorbing part of the kit or to make her Auto Attacks no longer AoE or possibly with lower auto range or AoE range. These quite obvious nerfs will yes, be quite impactful but it'll preserve the main aspects of her kit and will make balancing Kayle very easy and accessible Although this is only my opinion and you may or may not agree with it but I'll accept any opinions or feedback below! Thank you for reading. Also there will be a poll just so I can see who took their time to read this :D (if you read this type A or B in the comments/replies respective to the answer choices please <3)

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Defended2 votes

Idk man i have no trouble against kayle. Shes pretty freaking weak IMO. I just bought her iron inquis skin and thought i'd be playing her a lot like i used to but nah i find her really weak..

Imperial Japan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Caitlyn is bae,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ExclaJxe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-05-09T18:23:58.486+0000)

Idk man i have no trouble against kayle. Shes pretty freaking weak IMO. I just bought her iron inquis skin and thought i'd be playing her a lot like i used to but nah i find her really weak..

So do you find her weak early? Mid? Late game? Or just in general? Also what build do you use? Any specific play style?

Defended1 votes

[{quoted}](name=DLTD Stuart,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ExclaJxe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-05-09T18:37:28.986+0000)

So do you find her weak early? Mid? Late game? Or just in general? Also what build do you use? Any specific play style?

It probably is me building her wrong but i rush nashors then go into a zhonyas voidstaff. Not sure if me building a deathcap is right. Also i find her weak damage wise early to mid. Even late its sub par considering how many shots they take

Imperial Japan2 votes

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It probably is me building her wrong but i rush nashors then go into a zhonyas voidstaff. Not sure if me building a deathcap is right. Also i find her weak damage wise early to mid. Even late its sub par considering how many shots they take

I'm pretty sure that Rageblade is pretty mandatory as of now

Defended1 votes

[{quoted}](name=DLTD Stuart,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ExclaJxe,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-10T00:27:49.916+0000)

I'm pretty sure that Rageblade is pretty mandatory as of now

How tho? I just dont see it as a good item anymore?

Imperial Japan2 votes

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How tho? I just dont see it as a good item anymore?

A lot more autos with some on hit AP I believe

Beldair1 votes

My build i feel is strong late game:

Nashor's, Rageblade, Bloodthrister, Berserkers, Static Shyv, Bortk.

Dps with some Ap, Ad, and lifesteal.

Defended1 votes

{quoted}

My build i feel is strong late game:

Nashor's, Rageblade, Bloodthrister, Berserkers, Static Shyv, Bortk.

Dps with some Ap, Ad, and lifesteal.

So does her E scale considerably less wtih AD? or still gives it a nice boost

Beldair1 votes

i'm not sure...haven't played her in a while (last match was dumb enough to change my build to tanky mid game since we had no tank)

vladerag1 votes

kayle is balanced or unbalanced by item changes, not her kit these days.

Every time kayle has "broke" it has to do with item changes, in this case its mostly about rageblade. Before to reach a power spike she needed to hard farm jungle and survive a very weak early game, now she can just lane and do quite well.

However, Riot has said they are unsure about keeping phantom hit on rageblade, and thats what is making kayle as viable as she is right now. If she is nerfed and they get rid of the changes to rageblade, she will disapear into nothingness.

Without the old rageblade passive or phantom hit, she doesnt have the ap ratios to do any real dmg nor the base damage to build lots of magic pen.

Imperial Japan1 votes

{quoted}

kayle is balanced or unbalanced by item changes, not her kit these days.

Every time kayle has "broke" it has to do with item changes, in this case its mostly about rageblade. Before to reach a power spike she needed to hard farm jungle and survive a very weak early game, now she can just lane and do quite well.

However, Riot has said they are unsure about keeping phantom hit on rageblade, and thats what is making kayle as viable as she is right now. If she is nerfed and they get rid of the changes to rageblade, she will disapear into nothingness.

Without the old rageblade passive or phantom hit, she doesnt have the ap ratios to do any real dmg nor the base damage to build lots of magic pen.

Hm, I haven't taken items into consideration. (Even though it's one of those basic things to take into :P) Yeah I wrote this post in school so I wasn't thinking much. I'm still in it so I might not update the post but thanks for the comment!

21028037DEL11 votes

Sorry, but Kayle isn't broken. As a Kayle main, she has many counters in top lane (Renekton, Irelia, and Mundo can all out-scale and all-in her at 6 and post-6, plus they can all dive her), mid lane (Annie, Pantheon, Gragas, anyone who can stun/slow her on a moment's notice; especially Annie's burst) and Kayle jungle is just awful this season due to her lower clear time and item nerfs.

Kayle's problem is mobility and burst being used against her. While she can reliably heal and run away, any enemy with gap closers is a problem for Kayle. Ganks from Nidalee, Elise, and Lee Sin work very well against her. Also, instant stuns like Annie, TF, and Pantheon make her unable to use her ultimate to avoid burst, which usually means her ult is now gone and she has to farm safely or she'll be ganked. In laning phase, it's all about counter-picking her. If she counter-picks you, the best thing to do is farm under tower and poke her if you have a poke champ (Gangplank, Riven can catch her if close, Wukong, any Mage) because her heals add up and she'll eventually have to recall for mana.

In team fights, poke can really hurt Kayle. Her mana costs can grow cumbersome, so if she does not have blue buff, she cannot continue to heal teammates or herself for very long. In addition, Kayle will usually ult whoever on her team is fed in a teamfight, so cc'ing that person and leaving Kayle alone is the correct decision. If Kayle is the fed player, you'll need to have tanks dive her to CC her. The goal is to have Kayle blow her ult so you can engage on the carries.

Beldair1 votes

Trundle is a hard match for her too (i found that out the hard way)

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