Unfinished - Kindred's only partly solved as a jungler. It scares me what Riot might do.

Phoenix Incite··3 votes·721 views
Champion Reveal: Kindred, the Eternal Hunters

Kindred lacks the essential characteristics of a jungler.

What used to be a feature has become a considerable barrier and liability in a bad match up. Enemy players no longer fear the Mark, they use it against Kindred, knowing where Kindred will likely be, and adding 50% more work for the Eternal Hunters.

Rather than having to decide which objective or what lane to apply pressure, Kindred players must now also gather hunts *in order to function effectively as a backline adc.*

They have no hard CC of their own nor an ability to kite very easily in the tight quarters of the jungle (compared to a lane) against the standard jungler formula of other junglers.

Just like catching a lone Bot Lane ADC wandering alone - Kindred is more Prey than Hunter. They're Marksmen, and left inherently fragile, unable to go toe to toe should a melee jungler catch them just as they would if they caught Kog'Maw.

As a rule, Junglers have to provide hard CC to be fully effective in their role. Kha can slow and leap onto targets, Noct can gank from very long ways away, Shaco can paralyze with traps, Rammus has a taunt, Ivern has a snare - the list goes on.

Kindred was left WITHOUT a hard CC because they're meant to kill champions. Unfortunately back in their original version, this was a nightmare success.

So Kindred is an ADC deliberately intended to roam the jungle, alone, without a hard defense.

Kindred has a *THEORETICAL* defense in their new design, range, but its not at all a guaranteed one, and it does *nothing* to solve the problem of being no different than any other ADC caught alone. 

A lot of champions have range to help them kite, but kiting is best in the river and in the lanes - not the tight spaces of the jungle where, Kindred has very select areas they can vault over if they want to keep engaging OR at least, moving around effectively.

No one wants a gank from their Bot Lane ADC because it means that bot laner needs protection themselves - but Kindred doesn't play with a support.

So Kindred needs a defense mechanism that fits their role as Jungler and allows them to go toe to toe with other junglers when in tight spaces - or at least, have a great chance of escaping them the way Talon, Shaco, or others squishy Junglers might.

What if Kindred's E also had a "Fear Stun" - like Fiddlestick's ability. It would allow Kindred as a jungler to prevent a teammate's death during a rescue gank, and allow Kindred' Q to take effect.

What if Kindred's passive also gave a small boost to mobility, OR one of their abilities gave a temporary movement boost? What if Kindred could more easily jump back and forth over more areas of terrain, engaging enemy champions while also briefly escaping, only to fight again with their q back and forth? Junglers in team fights target the enemy's back line unless they're tanky junglers - but Kindred as a Marksman, can't do that without being suicide, and in a bad match up, can't get the range they need from their passive to help their team.

I'm scared of Kindred being left in their current state, and I'm just as scared of what Riot's Designers may do once they realize and accept and enact adding what Kindred needs to fully complete their kit as JUNGLER.

Because Kindred has left one of the largest OMG WHAT DID WE UNLEASH?? moments imprinted on Riot's reveals and communications with our community that I can remember since season 3. I'm scared Riot still thinks Kindred will be as bad as they were before - or close to it.

Because right now, Kindred, especially in a bad match up - is in a feast or famine state, and is HEAVILY reliant on their items AND their passive to function.

And even then, by design, they still need someone to protect them, like a support, in order to show what they can really do.

For a jungler, that can't work.

4 Comments

ThePikol2 votes

Really well written. I feel like Kindred is like self-denieing champ. Adc are ment to be weak in early to shine late-game. But Kindred is jungler and jungler has to be strong early to help his team, so either Kindred fail as adc or as jungler. I feel like it's harder to gather Marks now, maybe it's bacause of lack of early dmg. With old KIndred 12 Marks was no porblem for me, now I'm happy if I get 8-9

Phoenix Incite3 votes

Thanks!

Kindred will always have a special place with me as the first champion I ever leveled up to 6 in mastery - not because they were necessarily the most broken champ design in history - but because Kindred taught me a lot about risk and play. I never had so much fun taking close calls in League.

Kindred will always be one of my all time favorite champs - and no matter how hard I try, its really really really difficult to rebalance a game falling behind, and that is the function of the jungler.

But Kindred falling behind isn't like other junglers falling behind.

So I can, and will keep going in coming up with ideas and in writing. I honestly don't care if it takes a long time to come. I'll write almost every week, several times that week, for as long as I keep playing (which will be for years in the forseeable future) to reach them.

Those who say "there's nothing you can do" never, ever knows what its like to try until you succeed.

I'm not a particularly skilled Kindred, but there's no one out there who wants this champion to work, and be exhilaratingly fun, than I do.

Because there really isn't anything more fun than being able to dance all over the map in a teamfight or in any fight, summon a companion wolf, and gather marks of power while playing a game of wits with the other jungler.

That's Kindred.
Dannywolf1 votes

I wish Mounting Dread mattered. Like as more than a slow. It's DREAD. Fear. Why is there no fear? Or whatever that chicken thing Tryndamere does? You're right. Kindred has no CC and after removing the heal from W passive, no sustain. Two things a jungler needs to survive. Except for tank junglers who survive by being tanky. I shouldn't be called a troll for playing a champion I genuinely love, but Kindred just barely exists now. Rakan and Xayah feel more like what Kindred should be: two champions. Really, they need to actually feel strong enough to be 1 champion. item 3070 Kindred item 3070

Jansports1 votes

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For a jungler, that can't work.

It's kinda like Riot doesn't understand that so long as Lee, Elise, Graves, and friends are the measuring stick it is actually impossible for a jungler to be successful if they are incapable of dueling at lvl3 with nothing but a machete or talisman (so ya know, Zero stats from items)

They can be a Jungle pick worthwhile, or more "like a traditional marksmen" and need Shiv+IE. Because I don't know bout others but myself, the enemy junglers I see and Peanut, Nightblue, that not Oddone TSM guy; It's a pretty rare game where Warrior-Shiv-IE could be completed before the game had been decided anyway

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