Katarina has no counter play

joebobby1412·5/8/2015, 2:21:03 AM·4 votes·1,993 views

Her entire premise is just -press all the buttons. I understand. all champions have abilities and all champions should be using them. However, all other champions use their abilities in a particular way, some are skillshots they need to land. For Katarina, I can make a flowchart for you, no chart necessary. Are your abilities ready to go? Find an enemy and press all all your buttons. there you go, that's at least 1 kill.

There is no chance for an opponent to respond to a katarina engage, unless they are tanky enough to survive, which most won't be and if they are they certainly don't do enough damage to kill you. I'm not saying that I understand all the intracacies of balancing more than 100 champs and I understand that having this complaint is in reference to 1 champion out of more than 100 that are pretty well balanced. I would ask that Katarina be changed so that people have some chance to respond. Either making her abilities similar to Udyr, with a cooldown triggered on all abilities when any of them are used. Or, if you make it so there is a wind up on her ult, so that she can use all her abilities at once like normal, but her ult won't destroy an entire team without giving them a chance to respond. The other, more minor nerf a friend recommended was making it so only her basic attacks could trigger her Q.

I don't think an entire rework is necessary, but I do think they need to put in something to make it so that the player has to do more than just press all the buttons and the enemy has a chance to do something in response.

22 Comments

LifeCyclesTWA5/8/2015, 2:22:23 AM10 votes

Save CC for her ult. What the fuck, its not complicated

Nilok5/8/2015, 2:59:34 AM2 votes

Pick malz, watch her, if she goes towards your team put your silence on top of your team, if she did jump in, ult her.

You don't counter her in game unless you counter her in champion select.

Claviature5/8/2015, 3:25:53 AM2 votes

Like Nilok said, you have to counter her by picking a champion that you know you can easily use to stop her. Personally, I use Nocturne mid against her. His W shield absorbs her spells and ult quite nicely, and the E allows you to easily stop her if she gets close and tries to all-in. Add that with his Q and attack speed, and t's pretty easy to out-duel her.

arcinex5/8/2015, 2:22:28 AM2 votes

Katarina has no counter play... is the biggest lie ever.

GloriousKaiser5/8/2015, 3:43:14 AM1 votes

It's going to hard since she has virtually no cast times but "Just CC" applies here.

arcinex5/8/2015, 3:44:04 AM1 votes

Morgana? Leesin? Diana? And there's more. I'm sorry but if I have to list any counters for a champion then you do not understand this game very well. Everything has a counter play.

Only Play Darius5/8/2015, 3:47:16 AM1 votes

CC HER NOOB

SleepyLionCub5/8/2015, 3:49:16 AM1 votes

Talon uses all of his buttons when he goes in too, but nobody complains about him.

The Queen Viper5/8/2015, 3:52:13 AM1 votes

Try summoner 3 . Works against any assassin.

Nimba5/8/2015, 4:29:05 AM1 votes

Diana

LuthianDelphi2/3/2018, 4:31:06 PM1 votes

her issue is that she A) has no resourcse either in mana/energy or really in cooldowns because she gets so many resets B) shes all AOE C) her mobility is practically infinite and no matter how u position because of the throw range on her dagger and being able to dash to allied/enemy minions and champions she will always be able to get to you. Theres no distance where a person can CS/attack enemy people in a team fight that katirina can't get to through a dash-Dagger throw- dash to dagger- dash to you and because she gets CD from picking up her daggers this lets her proceed to ruin you without the expense of burning all her dashes to get you like riven or someone.

It doesn't matter if your abilities are televised there still isn't reasonable counterplay; most cc abilities in the game IE) Anivia Q malz Silence Nami Bubble aren't instance theres a brief delay for counter play, because kat has so many dashes/blinks and they are instant the only time you can CC her with a skill shot is if she misplays if she doesn't look for indicators before she dashes, because if she dashes before u cast she gets there before the cc goes off, if she does it during she gets hit. If shes doing it during its a result of her misplaying not you. This essentially means the only time you can fighting Katrina is if she misplays which is toxic because it means the only skill expression when fighting her is to capitalize on her mistakes which she shouldn't really be making.

in all honesty; if they made her dash cooldown around 6 seconds maybe 4 with max CDR; and no resets. IE) dashes to minion and can't dash again for another 4 seconds. she would be extremely balanced and considerably more enjoyable to play against w/ out making her straight trash,

Critmaster Garen5/8/2015, 2:27:57 AM1 votes

ive seen a team pick a cc comp specifiaclly to interrupt katarina. and facepalmed, when she still got her entire ult off every fight.

i wonder if this type of people is the same that comes here and complains about her.

Seriphym5/8/2015, 2:55:55 AM1 votes

OP's Post is bloated exaggeration.

.2/10

Hell Week5/8/2015, 3:42:23 AM1 votes

just pooped on a kata as ahri, too easy. but she then went 22 and 9 cause my team fed her. she needed to 3v1 me and still coudnt touch me ;)