why am i consistently being placed against gold players just trying to get out of bronze?

ffat35minute·Dec 3, 2018·2 votes·2,790 views

didnt happen last year climbing out of low bronze was kinda unsuccessful but still i was being matched against similar bronzies at least

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dunder killDec 3, 20183 votes

because its flex queue which is a joke of a queue taken less seriously than normals and also has a completely separate MMR

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

i thought ranking up in that "joke queue" would be easier but to my surprise..not really

MyrmironDec 3, 20181 votes

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i thought ranking up in that "joke queue" would be easier but to my surprise..not really

It is only easier if you're gold+ anyways. If you're lower you're likely to get matched with and against higher elo players that don't take flex very seriously and higher elo players that haven't played very many games yet, making the games very volatile. Flex in EUW only has around 600.000 active players or so, the lower populated a queue is the easier it generally is to climb in it, this is why it's so easy to climb very high on low populated servers.

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

so in solo ranked will i face "unranked" players who are gold in flex as well or..?

dunder killDec 3, 20183 votes

You could but its rare because people actually try in soloQ. For perspective look at you Lux game. The gold enemy fiddle doesnt even play jungle and was first timing Fiddle. The gold enemy Illaoi was first timing Illaoi. The enemy Diana has been bronze 5 for 5 straight years. Don't look for quality games in flex

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

I dont want to get demoted in solo q in case things go south i literally had only two decent or three decent games in flex every loss was a stomp

lol obviously gold players dont need to try hard to beat a bronze team unless they are boosted or really bad or some shit

dunder killDec 3, 20182 votes

or they just weren't trying. Like I said, two of the gold players in your Lux game were first timing champions and/or playing off roles. People don't try in flex. They use it to fuck around

HÔPÊDec 3, 20182 votes

Don't play flex.

Just take a single champion and play it all the time on ranked. Make sure to farm well (on lane 80cs in 10min and 100cs in 12min). There is not even a single reason to play many champions.

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

because some champs are situationally useless and i dont seem to learn anything from spamming the same champ every game look at my other account (the one in the post) i have over 60k mastery on zoe and i am still trash with zoe

HÔPÊDec 3, 20181 votes

60k is low. I have over 300k on every account with my champion. I have 4 acc.

By playing the same champion all the time you learn how to play it. They when you finally master that champion you should still spam it. If you are comfortable with micro (skill with the champion), you should spam it because it will help you with focusing on macro (overall knowledge of the game). Of course if you didn't master the champion you will never get better.

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

how do i know i mastered a certain champion besides that 300k mastery milestone?

good point btw i dont think i can play a champion this many games to reach so high mastery but i'll try

also is it ok to practice this champion in normals first? because the current state of ranked is a bit too tilting for me

and if you dont mind me asking what's your champion? is it annie?

HÔPÊDec 3, 20181 votes

In S4 I was playing Annie and Veigar. In S5 Viktor. In S6 Anivia. Her aa animation is slow and damage from it is low. She is good for learning how to farm. In S7 Anivia and Ahri. In S8 Shaco OTP. In S9 preseason I cannot even play this game, too tilting.

Practice it in normals and play one full season of this champion. You should be able to get to at least gold (ranked system is changing so idk how it is going to work now).

You can master a champion by copying other players. To learn Anivia I was watching Froggen. I probably watched over 100 vid (you don't need that much, I just love him). What you need is to watch is:

how he farms first 3-4 waves of minions, there are secret ways for some champions to not lose minions in early game (Anivia hits all her first q on range minions, with correct runes 2x q kills range minions)

*how he farms in mid and late

*where he positions in the lane

*where he wards

*what are his tricks for landing stuns (froggen uses minion waves and walls to hit q, when enemy is near a wall he cannot dodge it)

*every champion has different wave manipulation strategy, learn that as well (Anivia prefers to shove everything under the turret with r)

*you have to keep in mind that enemy jungler is in the game, so you should position yourself on the side that your jungler is, if he is on the blue side, you should be closer to blue side, so that if something happens you can help him or he can help you

*in jungle look at where the enemy started first (if there is nobody bot lane, then he started blue or when there is nobody top lane he started red) then act as an asshole and if you started red and he started red, then you can take his blue as well and after that he might be on your blue, so you can try to take his wolfs and gromp as well, if he was on your blue, then there is a possibility that he did only blue and will be behind with cs

*learn all tricks that your champion can do (in some spots Anivia's r is half-visible and Shaco can make a long q in some places on the map, hextech protobelt can be used while invisible if you do it correctly)

*learn match-ups (you cannot build the same item set in every match, you should have some situational items, that you trust, for example zhonia's vs zed) Zhonia's gives jack shit, because zed does too much damage, but still worth trying to cheat death

*try to use your lvl advantage to further your lead (if you hit lvl 2 or 3 first, you should use that to do damage to the enemy

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

why do you think preseason 9 to be tilting especially? i find ranked tilting in general no chance to win any important game unless you get carried

this might sound stupid but i find it too boring and tedious to learn how to farm with most champs except annie and fizz because they have targeted farming abilities that reward you for last hitting

champs i do well with in normals are almost always useless in ranked maybe because enemy camp the shit out of me to prevent any kind of advantage or because people make no fucking mistakes in ranked it sounds like i am lying or exaggerating but that's the way i see it

people even go as far as predicting all of your moves; so all my skillshots miss, I am constantly zoned, enemies will take all objectives they want and you don't/can't do anything about it, and every "mistake" you make you get one shotted for it

games like that in normals are rare, in ranked that's the norm, don't really see the point of spamming a champion you suck at in ranked unless your goal is to feed with high mastery

I know what items do I prefer to build damage

flashing away from zed after his R animation will make his R fail since he wont be doing a lot of damage to you (unless hes a really good zed)

it's really hard to find a decent build that work with a certain champion for certain runes and fits my play style so dont expect me to ditch a trusted build amidst a match i am trying to win and go experimental mode

for example archangel's stuff is a MUST for every mage because it provides me with tons of mana to spam my abilities that's why i build it almost every game last game i didnt build it because i had early advantage so i didnt need tons of mana to survive in lane etc

dont really know what you are implyiing with building the same set of items every game i could build iceborn gauntlet and frozen heart instead for mana but they are not as efficient on lux and karma because they are not tanky champions? and damage is better

if there's something i am not aware of fill me in

(btw i am not trying to be contrarian just sharing my opinion and venting at the same time i guess)

HÔPÊDec 3, 20181 votes

why do you think preseason 9 to be tilting especially?

I feel like I had more control over the match in previous seasons. Everything feels random. There is also too much damage in the game. It doesn't feel right even for me when I play an assassin.

this might sound stupid but i find it too boring and tedious to learn how to farm with most champs except annie and fizz because they have targeted farming abilities that reward you for last hitting

I was the same. Annie is really easy to play. It is not a bad thing tho. If you like her then play her. It is just that you won't learn how to farm properly with Annie. I started to play Anivia thanks to Froggen being Froggen :) I didn't even know how hard it is to farm with her in early game, but that probably helped me a lot.

champs i do well with in normals are almost always useless in ranked maybe because enemy camp the shit out of me to prevent any kind of advantage or because people make no fucking mistakes in ranked it sounds like i am lying or exaggerating but that's the way i see it

People make a lot of mistakes. You will see more when you get better. There is a lot that you have to learn. Enemy is camping you for a reason. You might control a minion wave badly, then he has a free gank on you. Warding is only a temporary answer to ganks, you need to know how to make ganks impossible. Search for wave manipulation of Dopa in YouTube. It should help. The evil demon lord is the best teacher.

people even go as far as predicting all of your moves; so all my skillshots miss, I am constantly zoned, enemies will take all objectives they want and you don't/can't do anything about it, and every "mistake" you make you get one shotted for it

It comes to experience and overall knowledge of the game. If you know a lot about the enemy champion and its combos and outplays you can predict them. For example against Zed you know that when he ults you it is better to flash or dash. Zhonia can counter him. You need to make his ult useless, then he is no harm. If you want to hit abilities more often then I would recommend to use tricks like using skillshots when the enemy is stunned, is near a wall (he has one path blocked at that moment and 3 of choices that he still has are up, down and left, from which up and down gives him nothing) and using the minion wave (minions can do the same as wall, they can block one way of escape and then he is out of options). Sometimes it is better not to use stuns, because you can engage or disengage with it. When somebody sees that you used your dash or ult, he will gank you. So without it you need to play safe.

flashing away from zed after his R animation will make his R fail since he wont be doing a lot of damage to you (unless hes a really good zed)

Oh, so you know about it. It is always better to have more than one way of survival. After you flash his ult you can get ganked easily.

it's really hard to find a decent build that work with a certain champion for certain runes and fits my play style so dont expect me to ditch a trusted build amidst a match i am trying to win and go experimental mode

It is not experimental. You need armor vs ad and mr vs ap. If they have a normal team I would use a normal, optimal build that I always use, but when they go heavy ad or both enemy laner and enemy jungler are ad, I would go armor most likely. If they are both ap, i would go mr. It doesn't matter that I do more damage if I am dead.

for example archangel's stuff is a MUST for every mage because it provides me with tons of mana to spam my abilities that's why i build it almost every game last game i didnt build it because i had early advantage so i didnt need tons of mana to survive in lane etc

I build it only on Anivia xd I prefer to farm by not using abilities too much but with Anivia I need to farm with ult. It is easier to go for Echo Luden on most mages. Orianna uses it especially well.

dont really know what you are implyiing with building the same set of items every game i could build iceborn gauntlet and frozen heart instead for mana but they are not as efficient on lux and karma because they are not tanky champions? and damage is better

You are right that some champion build only damage. Lux is a good example. She doesn't build anything but damage. All she needs is damage. Even tho Shaco can just walk up to you can kill you with one aa if you have no armor. Sometimes you need more armor or mr, even tho you don't want it.

Find the best player of your champion and learn from him. Also watch Dopa, he is a master of this game. The True Demon Lord.

ffat35minuteDec 4, 20181 votes

thanks for the replies and tips

could you help me learn how to play shaco properly? i play him sometimes on an eune account but i kinda suck at him i know good shaco's are scary I just met one at ranked game i was ashe i get one shot before i even have the chance to flash

when i play him i dont deal nearly as much damage (i dont like jungling tho so i take him in lane) he kinda lacks farming tools in his kit to be a laner ik but i still try to play him bot as support or something

my damage with him is mediocre lol never been good enough to get a full build match but i start lethality he's also awfully squishy and get cc'd and one shot so easily late game forcing me to build tank shaco sometimes

anyways but that's eune server and from my experience eune is crazier than euw but also kinda easier

HÔPÊDec 4, 20181 votes

If you want to learn Shaco you should watch ChaseShaco on Youtube. He is the best Shaco at the moment. Also WhiteCrow, Shaclone, Pink Ward, ShaGod, IWillDominate and InfernalShaco are all great.

IWillDominate started as a Shaco main, but can play anything now. He is great at Shaco, but doesn't know all the tricks. He is just a good jungler.

WhiteCrow can show you how to use tricks.

Shaclone is a toxic shaco player that I like. He isn't using too many tricks, he is just good at ganking as shaco.

Pink Ward is a god.

ShaGod is one of the best shaco players. In my opinion he can get even better. He can carry with any build and runes.

Infernal Shaco is quite good at all parts of Shaco playstyle, but can get better.

ChaseShaco is the best. He has a deep understanding of this champion and jungle. I would prefer you to learn from him. His box setup is quite good, but situational and he should do better at explaining why that is stuational (for example he loves to start with 2boxes on red and 2 on krugs, when the enemy starts on blue, because he can go for crab then and get lvl 3 fast and gank).

Shaco sucks at laning, but Pink Ward can use it that way anyways. If you want to do a lot of damage you need to be good at this champion, because Shaco is a trash champion xd You need to main him to do damage. Learn from ChaseShaco, his build is the best and meta on Shaco.

The thing is that on Shaco you must be the most efficient mother fucker in the universe, if you are not efficient then you are too weak to do damage. Which means, that you need to know how to clear your camps and gank. I prefer doing my red, then going for enemy blue, when he is on red. I can always do his blue, before he gets there. Then I am taking the crab and he has no mana for a gank xd You need to know where he starts to do that. So you need to look at lanes at lvl 1 and then if there is nobody on top lane, because he is leaching and there are 2 people bot lane, you can just go there are pick up blue for free.

Building tank isn't bad. You can build anything if you are good. I prefer building damage, because I know that I can get ahead pretty easily if I do my route.

In my experience Eune is easier because Euw is full of toxic psychopaths, that want to ruin your game.

ffat35minuteDec 5, 20181 votes

more like EUW and OCE are full of toxic psycopaths that never shut up and want you to GET BANNED yeah people who dc on purpose for no good reason to make you lose is a thing in euw too

HÔPÊDec 5, 20181 votes

When I play on EUW I just mute everyone. I don't need to do that on EUNE tho. Of course if I see a psychopath, that is really funny I don't mute him.

ffat35minuteDec 6, 20181 votes

you dont meet many toxic people if you learn how to control yourself except the casual trash talkers who think they are way better than you at the game they are in every server I just met a bunch of them in enemy team in NA supposedly "the least toxic server"

they are all the same

ffat35minuteDec 4, 20181 votes

something else i wanted to mention i dont know how people play in your rank or mmr or whatever but here (i mostly play normals tho) people constantly try to harass you in lane and get as much poke damage as possible on you while trying to farm it's like enemy laner priority is dealing damage to you while you farm not farming itself

it's a bit annoying but unless i harass them back they will bully me out of my lane i didnt meet many passive laners they all want to kill me or kick me out of lane as soon as i set foot in lane even if they werent obvious about it they all want to get a kill and snowball none really cares about farming this is why i need a lot of mana to defend myself and keep farming as much as possible

as i said before if i were playing fizz or annie i would much rather farm the entire game it's just sooo fun to farm with those champs also farm=more gold=more damage when needed in a fight but you know most enemy laners or jungler won't just let you do that

regardless of their skill level or damage they deal to me compared to mine they are always trying to bully me out of lane every single game sometimes (rarely tho) i can 'outplay' them both in ranked i have no chance to do that for obvious reasons or if i am not playing something at optimal damage and runes i get bullied in lane so easily 9/10 of times

HÔPÊDec 4, 20181 votes

something else i wanted to mention i dont know how people play in your rank or mmr or whatever but here (i mostly play normals tho) people constantly try to harass you in lane and get as much poke damage as possible on you while trying to farm it's like enemy laner priority is dealing damage to you while you farm not farming itself

Hahahaha, I know right? They only fight xd When I was smurfing through low elo I played champions that can carry alone, so that I didn't have to bother with this shit. In low elo you can have fun and go killing people and get fed in almost every game. Or you can pick up a champion that farms well from a distance like Orianna and just farm up 200cs in 20 min and then be an absolute monster. People in that elo cannot farm, they will never be able to fight Ori with 200cs in 20 min.

You can also set an example by playing agressive in first 2 min of the game. If you get him lower on hp and he is forced to respect you, he should stop attacking you.

You can also come up to a dying minion to last hit him and then get back behind minions and always stay behind range minions, so that if he attacks you, your minions will deal a lot of damage to him and you would probably win that trade without doing anything.

I have a friend that is in gold now, just because he was 1v1 me every time I was online. If you have somebody from higher elo in your friends, go and 1v1 them, it is a great learning experience.

ffat35minuteDec 5, 20181 votes

I see hard to make them repsect me because i usually play mages that are shit early game but that's a good point just let me farm in peace dammit

for 1v1's i can do that but i've been kinda avoiding it because the "1v1 scene" seems more toxic than the actual game itself for example when i made a random custom game 3v3 to test out pyke in pbe enemey kindred who was dominating me was spamming "EZ" "NOOB" when my bot brand killed her lmao

oh in low elo games something 'funny' also happens doesnt matter if you are fed because if you are fed chances are 4 of your enemy team are fed as well because your teammates dont care about dying and doing stupid things so being fed is useless

or when enemy zed or annie or yasuo leave lane and get a triple kill how do they do that? why don't i get shit when i roam mostly even if i win lane i'll stay useless for the entire game because enemy get fed so easily even when they are trash and i can not

HÔPÊDec 5, 20181 votes

Low elo has its own rules. If the enemy is fed, it doesn't matter, because you are playing a champion that can 1v9. For example if you are playing Jax and you have 9/0/0, you will carry. 4 of enemy can have 9/0/0 as well and it doesn't matter, coz u are Jax. You will hard push and carry.

You can do something different with Anivia. When you are fed you can prevent enemy from ending and make the game longer, so that your team can gather items. Her ult can defend a tower 1v5, so you don't need your team for the most of the match, but then you have to protect the game from ending and win when your shitty team gets some gold.

The thing is that in low elo they have a lot of kills, but if you have a perfect farming score and kills, they cannot do anything against you. You will have crazy damage, coz gold wins games. When I have 200cs in 20min on Shaco, I kill people with 1 aa. They cannot do anything at all. I am just running and killing. But that is what happens in low elo. If you know how to dominate you dominate.

ffat35minuteDec 6, 20181 votes

grr i hate jax i dont play him specifically because hes so fucking broken especially when you build hybrid as ap/ad I solo carried twice with jax first timing him starting coin as first item and laning not even jungling that's how broken he's (i dont even know how to do the stupid ward hop trick) never needed it

but hopefully when they bring neeko into euw server they dont nerf her too hard so she becomes my 1vs9 champ i don't mind how broken she's <3 rocking with her in NA rn

anivia is squishy dude focusing her is easy when she's locked to her ult position i did that turtling trick once and didn't win :p

ffat35minuteDec 3, 20181 votes

sorry for bombarding you with questions but this "maining one champ" concept is new to me especially in ranked and i am curious

what gave you confidence to play one champ a lot in ranked? were you already good with that champ in normals? if yes to second question did you find any difficulty playing that champ in ranked (at least at first) and getting good results?

and did you try playing that same champ in different roles for example annie/annivia/veigar both and support and mid, and how did that go ?(in ranked)

maybe a bit personal but if you want to answer i appreciate it

HÔPÊDec 3, 20181 votes

what gave you confidence to play one champ a lot in ranked?

I just loved that champion more then any other champion and wanted to be the best at that champ. I am still far from that. I need to beat 2k more mains to be the best. I mean, if you have more than 55% win rate with a champion, then you are able to do progress with that champion alone. Then you don't even need other champions.

were you already good with that champ in normals?

I don't remember, I probably played a lot of normals, before going ranked with Anivia. It was hard to learn farming and hitting perfect q and combos with a wall, but thanks to Froggen I could do it quite well. I still think she was the best choice for me. She can protect the tower on her own but sucks at roaming.

if yes to second question did you find any difficulty playing that champ in ranked (at least at first) and getting good results?

At first I had 40% win rate, then it jumped to 66% and I ended with 64% win rate and over 200 ranked matches. My longest winning streak was 26 matches, I was mad when it ended thanks to some inting dumbass.

and did you try playing that same champ in different roles for example annie/annivia/veigar both and support and mid, and how did that go ?(in ranked)

When I mained Anivia I didn't play her on other roles than mid/top, but when I mained Shaco and my account was called after Shaco, I played him on every single role. Even adc. Still hit plat and could hit diamond with ease. Didn't hit diamond for a single reason. I didn't have fun in that season.

You can ask whatever you want. I am here to help.