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What on earth could POSSIBLY justify Mastery 7 costing 6.5x as much as before?

Rabblerouser·12/11/2017, 4:50:55 PM·152 votes·6,029 views
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I got my tokens for Zyra, and was SO happy because it's taken me a while. However, when I slide into my Loot, I found out it's not 500-600 as it USED to be...

#It's 3900BE!!!

My friend says this is SUPPOSEDLY because we apparently get more BE now... but I have to disagree. You've pretty much got a cap on your daily BE now.   #And even if we did... we are not getting 6.5 times more than before by any measure!

That's pretty much a Teemo (1350BE) away from buying Zyra ALL OVER AGAIN (which is ironic because that's how I got my S+, thrashing a Teemo)!

Note: Mastery 6 isn't fairing much better, priced at 3250BE, I think.

EDIT: I've realized a flaw in my logic, refer to this post. Essentially, you didn't buy M6-M7 with IP, but with BE, which you got from disenchanting shards. I apologize for this mistake.

However, I still maintain the price conversion was flawed and should be wholly re-evaluated based on the amount of time and frustration it takes rather than a direct numbers change like what happened in preseason.

134 Comments

Alex h872112/11/2017, 5:57:52 PM27 votes

Yeah, it feels crappy. Ive got over 10 mastery tokens sitting in my loot right now (3 m7 tokens for galio) and my plan is im just gonna wait to unlock the m6/m7 till I get a champ shard for that champ. (since we get a lot more champ shards now than in the old system it should happen somewhat faster)

Even though I have to wait til RNGeesus favors me w/ the champ shard drop(s) I need it will "save" me around 2k Blue essence on mastery 6's and a bit under 3k for mastery 7s (Math for savings is using a 6300 be cost champ, so these are the LOWEST amounts that you will save by upgrading champ mastery using that champ's shard, for example when i get the galio shard which i believe disenchants for 630 and use it to get mastery 7 i will be saving 3900-630= 3270 be saved).

I do understand that you want to be able to show your level of mastery on the champ sooner rather than later, but if you have the patience to wait for a shard in the long run you'll have a lot more blue essence to use how you see fit.

Sona Ping12/11/2017, 5:05:12 PM17 votes

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I got my tokens for Zyra, and was SO happy because it's taken me a while. However, when I slide into my Loot, I found out it's not 500-600 as it USED to be...

#It's 3900BE!!!

My friend says this is SUPPOSEDLY because we apparently get more BE now... but I have to disagree. You've pretty much got a cap on your daily BE now.   #And even if we did... we are not getting 6.5 times more than before by any measure!

That's pretty much a Teemo (1350BE) away from buying Zyra ALL OVER AGAIN (which is ironic because that's how I got my S+, thrashing a Teemo)!

Note: Mastery 6 isn't fairing much better, priced at 3250BE, I think.

" What on earth could POSSIBLY justify Mastery 7 costing 6.5x as much as before? "

The fact that is a direct conversion of the value BE had before. Remember? All your BE got multiplied by 6.5 in order to make it the same per point as IP. It was that expensive; mastery was always a point dump for players who had all the champions they wanted. In terms of the value of the points, nothing has changed at all. (In terms of implementation, it could be said it's easier.)

Clever on the alternate use of the Teemo measurement system, though.

SciFi Scrivener12/11/2017, 8:39:13 PM12 votes

I refuse to pay BE for mastery levels. I'm sitting on tokens waiting to pull a hero shard to use.

NOHITDETECTIO2K12/11/2017, 7:36:54 PM11 votes

The IP conversion is what made it like that, since we're supposedly getting that much BE now. I really thought the conversion would be super cool, but I hate it so much now because of shit like this.

Ahri Baka12/11/2017, 11:06:41 PM7 votes

Are you kidding ? at this point the new system is way better ! 600 BE before the changes costs 1700 * 2 or 3 which is 3400 or 5100 to make a champion mastery lvl 7 and you don't have to pay BE to make her lvl 7 you can just wait untill you get a Zyra shard from a capsule , that's all

Quepha12/11/2017, 8:51:50 PM4 votes

because they took the BE you had at the time and also multiplied it by 6.5

Myozthirirn12/11/2017, 5:29:16 PM4 votes

It cost x6.5 more than before because we get x6.5 more than before. It feels bad and that but literaly nothing changed.

InfinitexMortal12/11/2017, 8:15:16 PM4 votes

Buys Garen for 450be... goes to get mastery 6..... 3900be???? [sg-ahri-1]

junglerboy1612/12/2017, 12:52:25 AM4 votes

You get WAY more BE than you used to, that's not wrong...

The catch is that you also don't get IP anymore so you're getting about as much BE as you used to get in IP, so it's mathematically a very big hit overall.

Basically, Riot is trying to trick us with their "you get more free game currency" scams when in actuality we maybe break even, if not making less overall. Basically, they jacked up the price on everything that already cost Essence before, without factoring in that you need to spend essence on a much broader range of purchases. They've slashed the income we receive relative to the items we can purchase with them.

Here's everyone slamming EA for battlefront, when Riot Games is trying to pull the exact same shit.

Fedoran12/12/2017, 2:58:40 AM4 votes

And I thought the teemo shroom tooltip was the last time I would see something measured in teemos.

MisoTroll12/11/2017, 8:28:40 PM3 votes

Well it's simple. Old BE was converted to new BE by a factor of 6.5. Like what the actual fuck people it's incredibly simple....mastery level 6 and 7 was intended for player that literally had nothing to spend IP on. Stop complaining please.

aZ3R0n12/12/2017, 4:54:18 AM3 votes

Everyone seems to miss one huge fact when considering the cost of champion mastery with the new BE system:

We did not have to use IP to upgrade champion mastery.

Under the new system, we have to use the equivalent of IP to upgrade our mysteries, and the cost of getting each champion to mastery 7 costs more than buying the entire champion roster with BE.

Winek Chan12/12/2017, 7:23:23 AM3 votes

A tip: Don,t disenchant any champion shard you get. You can still use them later.

Sraeg201312/11/2017, 10:19:53 PM3 votes

Considering that 600 x 6.5 is 3900 it doesn't seem anyhow weird.

Plus getting that much BE in the old system required at least 2 Champion Tokens which costed 1700 a piece putting the mastery level up at a minimum of 3400 IP.

Now, there's one thing about it.

Getting BE before was a bonus that wasn't anyhow impacting your IP gains and came from S-rank chests. Considering that now S-rank chests are utter garbage as far as drops go, if you roll a champion shard from an S-rank chest you may get jack shit for a reward.

That is the problem here.

That BE used to be a bonus and now it's your only way.

NCBuckets12/13/2017, 4:10:51 AM3 votes

it annoys the hell out of me and ive consistently seen something like this get 100-200 upvotes but they do nothing. they dont even reply. this is how i know they dont care.

OilegibtKoile12/11/2017, 7:14:21 PM2 votes

Did you always have enough BE to get your masteries? I can clearly recall that I had to buy multible random champ shards to get my M6 or M7. If I had to buy more than 2 it was actually more expensive than now. It's not riots fault that you didn't read that they would "increase" the price of Mastery Tokens. Infact they didn't. You got 6.5 times more Blue essence when the merging happened + merged with IP. If you can't manage your BE properly because you want everything at once it's YOUR fault. So you either save up for your tokens or you continue spending your BE on othe stuff.

Funkin Dunkin12/11/2017, 8:37:54 PM2 votes

That's ridiculous. Last level I got a grand whopping total of 270 BE. Yup...270. The level before that. 270. The one before that one, 360. I'm feeling the Rito love

HauntingTheNet12/13/2017, 5:15:43 AM2 votes

This whole thread is messed up. The issue is not the actual IP to BE conversion. It's the devaluation of champion shards and the fact that you can no longer use 3 shards of the same type so are forced to dissenchant shards - for a mere fraction of former value. As part of the changeover from IP Riot dropped shard value from 35% to 20% when disenchanting and removed the ability to use three due to the increased chances of getting champion shards. I warned my friends about this before the system event went live. While everyone else I knew was going gaga over how much BE they were going to get I was warning them that this was a cashgrab and they would be worse off on the long term unless they already were max ranked 7 on practically every champion already.

Oh, and beyond the 15% shard dissenchant devaluation there is a second way that Riot's change from IP to BE has secretly messed up most players economy... old days you got quite a few champion shards in the regular chests. They stated they were going to drop down the rate of champ shards from regular hextech chests but did not say exactly how much. Since the change all I have ever gotten were skin shards which makes me feel the drop rate is drastically lower. Thus, anyone who was using hextech chests to get BE has been ruined by this change.

Also if you got 2k BE for level 40 count yourself luck because my capsule from 40 was a very bad one thanks to terrible RNG luck. I got 90 BE, 1 4800 shard, and 2 450 shards. Sooo not 2k value there. To be expected with my luck really, I mean how many people have luck so bad that they open a chest to receive ... a key to open a chest ... and open that to receive ... a key to open a chest ... and open that to get a single absolutely worthless bottom value skin shard. 3 chests opened just to get a single bottom value skin shard. Riot RNG hates me.