extra slot for pinks

forresto·Feb 27, 2016·27 votes·1,010 views

what do you think? it would make itemization much better so that we don't feel punished for contributing to the team, and we can still buy pinks late game without sacrificing an item slot.

21 Comments

FortisDominusFeb 28, 20163 votes

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brentinatentFeb 28, 20162 votes

But then that would kinda go as a nerf to all inis camps because everyone will have a pink

Yws6afrdf7bc789Feb 28, 20162 votes

You mean kinda like the free trinket slot that no one uses?

JayrettFeb 28, 20161 votes

to be fair, even at lvl 18, the trinket just has 100% uptime. It's only 50% at lvl 1. irc, blues have a 90 cdr which doesn't make them too much better.

p a t r i o tFeb 28, 20162 votes

Please no

kurthl33tFeb 28, 20162 votes

I'd also be down with bringing back the pink trinket.

ForeverLaxxFeb 28, 20161 votes

Or maybe you shouldn't believe that you have to be 6-slotted in every game to do your job. Buy pink wards; stop being lazy.

MarshbouyFeb 28, 20163 votes

or maybe its because late game people cant buy pink wards because they have all 6 slots full. after 40 minutes pink wards stop existing on the map

ForeverLaxxFeb 28, 20161 votes

If everyone on your team is 6-slotted and the game isn't over yet, that's a different problem. Pink wards won't solve that problem. You don't need to be 6-slotted to do your job, and the sooner people start realizing that the better.

JayrettFeb 28, 20161 votes

if you make the choice to have a pink late game, you're throwing the game. This thread is about late game and pinks, only the support could have a slot for pinks, anyone cannot by that point. If someone else has a pink instead of a sixth item, they will not keep up, plus that pink will only last as long as they can't find it, which might be 10 minutes, more likely, it'll be less than 3.

ForeverLaxxFeb 29, 20161 votes

If this is what you believe, it's no wonder you think this is an issue.

JayrettFeb 29, 20161 votes

okay then, how will a 5 item tank fare against a mage in a ad heavy comp? or vice-versa? They won't have the mr/armor since that's what the 6th slot is used for. or a 5 slot crit adc? they need 4 of those 5 slots on crits with the 5th being boots. if an assassin hops on them, they'll have zero chances surviving unlike if they had that 6th slot in use.

and don't bring up "if the game lasts longer than 40 minutes that's a different problem" card again. This entire thread is about 40+ games and pinks. Saying that as a counterargument completely bypasses the entire point.

ForeverLaxxFeb 29, 20161 votes

Build better, get your assassins to prioritize the target you didn't itemize for, play smarter, understand that if their assassins/mage burst the tank that it's not your squishies getting blown up etc etc.

Learn to play with 5 items if you absolutely must have a pink ward on you 100% of the time for all games. You'll be surprised what you can get away with. Maybe.

JayrettFeb 29, 20161 votes

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understand that if their assassins/mage burst the tank that it's not your squishies getting blown up etc etc.

you do realize that tanks are on the front lines so after they blow the tank up, they can just back off after and wait for cds.

and while I would perfer having an extra slot just for pinks, I wouldn't care either way. just preference. just so you know since you seem to have the impression that I want a pink every game without giving up a slot. while it would be nice, I would give up that slot if needed. but not for a final item slot late game unless I'm 2 items or so ahead. sorry if I came off as hostile before.

ForeverLaxxFeb 29, 20161 votes

Look, you can come up with as many doomsday scenarios as you can to satisfy your mental gymnastics, so my telling you to engage the enemy when their assassin jumps on your tank would be meaningless.

I'm just sick of the playerbase in this game demanding they be handed free bonus slots or nerfs to champions because they refuse to adapt even the tiniest bit. I don't feel a special slot for pink wards is required because I don't think everyone on your team needs 6 entire items in order to win the game. Maybe if the enemy team picked a champion that relies on stealth to do their job, then your team should have picked someone with an in-kit stealth reveal. Plus, with the exception of Evelynn (and it some very rare cases with Twitch, but only when he knows an area is warded), standard wards will tell you when that assassin is on their way as most stealth abilities are used in-combat rather than used to approach.

Besides, what would happen if we suddenly got a "pink ward slot"? You know as well as I do that Riot wouldn't make this slot a standard item slot that you can only fill with pink wards, so it's far more likely this slot would function in the same way as the current trinket slot (a slot which players other than the support rarely used to begin with and had to be changed multiple times). Then we'd get a bunch of posts complaining about how you never have a pink ward ready when you "need" it because you just dropped one to clear wards and now it's on cooldown, preventing you from using it to make Akali's shroud useless or prevent that Talon from using his ult optimally. On top of that, now it steps on the toes of the Oracle trinket upgrade, essentially removing the point of that upgrade a majority of the time unless you really really hate enemy wards. That means if this slot were to be created, that upgrade is likely to get removed or changed into something that doesn't interact with stealth wards, reducing options. Part of the strength of the Oracle upgrade is that it shuts down vision of wards from outside their vision range and lets you clear them without being seen -- a pink ward has neither of these strengths.

League has always seemed to struggle with the Vision Game, be it with stealth wards, pink wards, or stealth champions. Most of that struggle seems to stem from the notion that the players don't want to change their plans or think on their feet, preferring instead that Big Brother Riot come in and give them an answer that lets them continue down their single-minded and inflexible path. Of course, when the Big Brother gives he also takes away and no one ever thinks about that last part.

JayrettFeb 29, 20161 votes

It's more of the current state of vision that people are asking for it like now. If two or more people get killed 30+ minutes without killing someone on their team, that'll likely spell game over for their team. If they're down to nexus towers and that happens? sure, that's fair. But not if their inner turrets are still up.

this is a bit derailing but, Riot made the longer death timers to make games shorter, it instead made them longer due to how flimsy towers are rn. They didn't keep up with champion power as it went up as a whole.

Riot also removed a lot of vision from the map to achieve this end and so flashier plays would be made. Instead, we have most higher elos playing super safe so they don't lose 3+ towers for 1 death. greens were removed from the shop, trinkets were reworked into much shittier version. with those changes, sightstones became mandatory on supports, even on the ap poke supports who could get by with upgrading yellow asap. I recall a large wave of dislike when Riot made those vision changes.

If people complain about not having a pink ward up at good times when they used them to clear wards, that's on them. if they have a stealth based champions, then pink wards should be used to negate the invis, not to clear wards.

It's also entirely possible that Riot will bring back a pink ward trinket. maybe have a 3m~ cd or so on it.

AstôlfoFeb 28, 20161 votes

And let's just fuck over every stealth champ ever. Great idea, 10/10. /s

JayrettFeb 28, 20162 votes

honestly, red trinkets have fucked me more as invis champs. Pinks are generally not an issue since I can tell where they are and simply avoid that area until it's taken down. Hell, 3 of the enemy team took red because I was twitch. with thier sup and jg having constant pinks to plop down.

AstôlfoFeb 28, 20161 votes

But see, red trinkets and normal trinkets and farsight and all that take the same space. So people have to choose which one they want the most, instead of just getting all of them. That's why there shouldn't be an extra slot for pinks. You either choose to use a space for them or don't.

JayrettFeb 28, 20161 votes

Pinks aren't that good at throwing off stealth champs. the only one it could have an issue for is shaco ganks, but they'll likely be pushed to tower if that pink stays for an extended time.

Pandemic PunchFeb 28, 20161 votes

I miss last season's vision. I liked the idea of upgrading a trinket for only 250 gold. Once upgraded, you have wards as powerful as sightstone wards or a pink ward. Good times when I could ward 3/4 as much as a support.