Vayne's existance seems kind of funny to me.

Cindikle·8/16/2015, 4:17:58 PM·7 votes·594 views

She's meant to be the tank buster. But in the tank meta she wasn't all that popular. Even would see threads asking why.

Sated becomes a thing and suddenly Vayne is broken.

Vayne's not a tank buster. She's a self peeler. If Riot decides to change her. Maybe this is where.

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EndlessSorcerer8/16/2015, 8:09:14 PM4 votes

She's meant to be a duelist ADC, capable of handling many other champions in a 1v1. She can work quite well at killing tanks, but I'd say that Kog'maw is the "tank-buster ADC".

The reason that Vayne didn't excel in the tank meta was, ironically, because there were many tanks being picked. Vayne can't do anything beyond her autoattack range and is quite squishy so she hates it when enemies can lock her down.

Basically, if Vayne was close enough to hit a target, then she was vulnerable to getting locked down by Sejuani, Gragas, Amumu, Nautilus, etc.

Now that Sated Devourer has gained popularity, many more duelists (i.e. Xin Zhao, Shyvana, Master Yi, etc) are getting picked and many of them lack hard CC to lock her down and want to 1v1 opponents. Vayne can easily kite many of them out without having to worry overly much about CC, so she's much more useful now.

I will agree with your opinion that the main reason that Vayne is strong is due to her self-peel (Tumble, Condemn, stealth) and not her percent max health true damage. However, that peeling and dueling ability is a large portion of her identity.

If they decide to nerf her, I hope that they'll hit one of these points instead of changing Silver Bolts or her safety:

  • Reduce damage on condemn (either reduce both applications of damage by X amount or don't apply extra damage when stunning the target).
  • Increase Tumble's Cooldown slightly (maybe one second at all levels).
  • Decrease the bonus AD from her ultimate (it was recently buffed by 5/10/15 AD, so maybe revert that)
Shroom Junkie8/16/2015, 4:21:10 PM3 votes

Vayne was broken before Sated Devourer. Still is.

KONO RUBICK DA8/16/2015, 10:34:22 PM2 votes

vayne is not a tank buster

i got downvoted to oblivion for saying this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZDJqpFspmg her design was an assassin/mobility/carry. look at her style, her kit:

-stealth -bonus ms -had high burst on her old E (440+1.0 AD) -tons of bonus AD, and base true damage, her old Q (75% bonus damage) could remove 1/2 of a squishy hp with a critical strike.

if you look at this kit, it's an assassin kit Repertoir said that vayne was released at a time where riot was only thinking to a good experiance on a champion. The %hp damage was a mistake, Riot has to remove the %hp damage (or nerf it) and buff her stealth, E damage, Q damage, and W base damage.

ChargeItDownMid8/16/2015, 4:58:58 PM1 votes

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Ben Sharpio8/16/2015, 8:03:20 PM1 votes

Anytime i see Vayne it gives me the same sensation i got during the scene in the Goonies where they first introduced the deformed guy: disgusted. These Vayne enthusiasts need to acknowledge that Vayne is one of the most broken and annoying champions in this game. "But Vayne is a tank shredder dood, get gud" Ok, she's also a jungler shredder, adc shredder, mage shredder AND SUPPORT SHREDDER. So what do i have to do to shut this bitch down before she comes back with ONE item and destroys everything herself. No help needed literally. You can't TOUCH her late game. A tank's late-game build is rendered useless by her incredible damage and attack speed that procs her passive over and over again. Oh but instead of gutting this bitch or destroying sated devourer they say "Lets NERF TANK ITEMS" i bet you someone overheard that idea from CertainlyT in the lunchroom and applied it because thats the biggest middlefinger to every tank in this game and a big high 5 to all of these broken, armour and health ignoring ass CHAMPIONS GOD DAMNIT!!

The Fast8/16/2015, 4:43:40 PM1 votes

Vayne was never designed as a tank buster IIRC. Her spotlight sold her as an ADC assassin.

IcyPepper8/16/2015, 10:26:14 PM1 votes

But in the tank meta she wasn't all that popular.

She really was.

I'm sorry, but it seems like your post is implying that Vayne didn't become popular until Sated came out, and trust me she was excelling in the tank meta patches before Sated was a thing.

Ionian8/16/2015, 4:32:32 PM1 votes

Make the % damage physical so it's actually possible to itemize against it. Also, make condemn a skillshot. That way Vayne will take SOME skill to play.