i died early cuz of first game today so wasnt playing good but i then played passive farmed a 50 cs lead let bot lane carry went 6-3-5 while their mid went 2-5 and thought she won lane and bitched to her team all game silly bronzies kill doesnt mean win lane
Ellis McPickle26 votesCalling someone bronze isn't an insult when you're not ranked.
UltraGigaNiga7 votesCalling someone bronze isn't an insult when you're not ranked.
I'd rather be unranked than bronze
Itankyou18 votesGonna be placed Bronze V with that attitude.
UltraGigaNiga2 votesGonna be placed Bronze V with that attitude.
Fortunately I was placed silver 5 the first time I was ever placed, just out of range of total humiliation
HaloDragonX3 votesHey dude, Silver is average-mans-land.
Pierce The Veal1 votesFortunately I was placed silver 5 the first time I was ever placed, just out of range of total humiliation
JayHopps is that you?
bill841 votesIn my recent experience getting out of bronze, B3-S5 is basically the same thing.
FioraWillCarry1 votesIn my recent experience getting out of bronze, B3-S5 is basically the same thing.
Not even close. Just got to B1 and I'm telling you, its different. B5-B3 is about the same. B2-S5 is about the same. And not to long ago my S4 friend invited me to a game with a bunch of S4s and S3s and I was totally humbled. The skill level was sooo far above me that I was completely useless.
bill841 votesI thought that there was a definite change between B4-B3 and even somewhat between B5-B4 because those two are just the worst players in the game who cannot go any further down. I have not played in anything beyond S5 but I definately think that it's similar to high bronze.
CeexSett1 votesB5 to G5 is mostly the same.
Sidestep1 votesYou forgot P5. Kappa
CeexSett2 votesDunno, never been there.
sadpepe
Jimmyyy1 votesYou're right about b5 to g5, except gold is almost worse because everybody thinks they're god now cuz they made it out of the shitholes named Bronze and Silver.
CeexSett1 votesIkr, I experienced that a lot when I was climbing. Everyone thinks they are so good becuase they are almost plat.
warpenguin5552 votessilver 5 is shiny bronze bro.
Pierce The Veal1 votesGonna be placed Bronze V with that attitude.
Pretty sure the guy you're talking to is an alt of someone I know. He's plat.
TotalJerk11 votesThat's like talking shit about someone being a bad dancer but refusing to get on stage when they call YOU out.
Tychusfindlay9195 votesi died early cuz of first game today so wasnt playing good but i then played passive farmed a 50 cs lead let bot lane carry went 6-3-5 while their mid went 2-5 and thought she won lane and bitched to her team all game silly bronzies kill doesnt mean win lane
When you're actually good and not an arrogant piece of shit and you get to platinum, a kill will 99% of the time also become a CS lead for the enemy.
So yes, killing at higher levels tends to mean winning lane outside of junglers coming in to mess things up.
kasfas5 votesPretty much this. I'm not a platinum+ player ( in fact I haven't got out of silver yet), but getting kills can easily set your enemy laner behind by 100+ gold and put you up by a significant amount. If you can keep your kill pressure on them, then you will either out cs them by a ton because they're too afraid to go for cs or they think they can still fight you and you get more kills to the point where you can snowball your lane so hard that the enemy all come to you letting your team take other objectives easily. That or you roam and snowball the other lanes out of control.
grimrookzero1 votessry no if you are behind 40cs a kill does not make that up
Alex Throwe4 votesHe meant that due to getting a kill, you can farm safely and make up for the cs gap.
SquashCannon1 votesHe meant that due to getting a kill, you can farm safely and make up for the cs gap.
Yes, my wording could have been better. Basically, in higher elos where last hitting isn't an issue, the laner who gets a kill will usually also have the CS advantage, setting the laner who died behind in two ways.
Typically, when I get the first kill, unless if it's super early (and the enemy laner takes tp), I'll take about a 6 cs lead or so. Then when I come back to lane, that first kill and slight cs lead allows me to come back with an extra item or two that essentially shields me from all in shenanigans and further puts the enemy laner at risk for dying again. At this point, one of two things happens:
#1 The kill pressure on the enemy forces them to sacrifice a couple cs per wave as I freeze the lane and position myself aggressively #2 The enemy jungler tries to restore balance to the lane
IF I got first blood on an enemy laner who naturally counters me, then it usually isn't too bad for them, but their bully power does drop immensely.
TL;DR If you get a kill, there shouldn't be a cs gap for you to make up, you should be making a cs gap against the enemy laner so that you're ahead of him in both economic ways.
Zerenza1 votes15 CS is equal to a kill though is something to note so if i have 60 CS and my opponent has 45 or bellow but 1 kill, i haven't lost lane yet because they don't have a gold advantage. Its important to note that; because it can be the difference in loosing and winning your lane, or the game as a whole.
ValyrianBlade3 votesLikewise, if you're 0/2/0 in lane, but are up 50 cs and have been ganked 6 times (with no allied ganks) you didn't lose lane. You actually won lane. Dominated it really...
Yet whenever I'm in that position that never seems to be the impression.
Although I do always have to point out that 15 CS does NOT equal a kill.
15 cs where you completely zoned the enemy from XP range equals a kill. 15 cs while they soaked xp for that CS means they have the same gold and an XP lead. Which amounts to them being able to kill your bot lane easily due to their inherent 1-2 level lead being compounded by another 1-2 levels due to kills. Just saying.
Twerk a Fish1 votesThey don't have same gold... If you're 0/0/0 both and you have 20cs more, you have ~400 gold lead.
Dynikus2 votesYeah, it's amazing to me how so many people don't realize the importance of CS. 1 kill is only equal to about 16 CS
Spoofghoul1 votes15
GuardAbuse2 votesDepends the type of minions since they're worth different amounts. Its a rough estimate.
Maximum Morde8 votesIn satisfaction and fun factor though, 1 kill is worth about 100 CS.
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In satisfaction and fun factor though, 1 kill is worth about 100 CS.
Think that's the issue people on both sides of the fence miss out on. There is that satisfaction in killing the lane opponent. You feel like "I'm better because I killed you/outplayed you" etc, and the announcer telling both teams you did it.
There is no announcer saying "Double CS!" and so on, so it feels trivial, when in reality yo are far outplaying them up by 40 cs than the one kill. It is just hard to feel good about farming compared to feeling bad about dying.
Jimmyyy1 votesFeels real good on Vayne when they try to duel me at lvl 11 :)
HaloDragonX1 votesWhat about First Blood bonus?
Ace Access 2 votesan extra 5 minions worth of gold
TheStevenWu1 votesYeah, it's amazing to me how so many people don't realize the importance of CS. 1 kill is only equal to about 16 CS
It's worth a bit more.
Kill gold is ~$300 = worth 15 minions
After a kill, you farm another wave and your opponent loses one, worth 12 minions
In terms of gold, one kill in laning phase is worth almost 30 minions. This calculation doesn't take into consideration xp lead and snowball.
Lugg2 votesIt depends. I have been down 4 kills to my lane opponent but finished the laning phase with +50 CS and both towers. That's winning lane. He was fed for a bit, but I ended up pub stomping him and our team won the game.
Kills only matter if you get something off of it.
KoKoboto2 votesA lot of unranked players are better than Bronze players!
Cookimonster3161 votesUnranked counts level 29 and below because they don't have a rank
DeathBot6661 votesBut if you are up 50 CS, but down 2 kills and lost first tower.
THEN you lose lane.
The Ecdysiast1 votes"Silly Bronzies"
If you're matched with bronze, you're no better regardless of your rank or lack thereof. That's just how matchmaking works.
General Esdeath 1 votesI consider winning lane to be one of 2 things.
PhDs Nuts1 votesPeople often forget (especially in top lane) that when you kill someone for the first time after 7-8 minutes and they're coming back to lane (especially with TP), they have more items than you. You don't get stronger after a kill until you shop.
MVpmack1 votestechnically true but level advantage is worth more than items early, generally speaking, so being down in exp because he crashed into your tower is pretty much a lost lane even if he doesn't back
Prozzak1 votesHow long after lane phase was over was this cs lead created? If you were only getting to a 50 cs lead at 20 minutes it was well passed lane phase. If you were even at 15 and the other person just stopped farming lane because the started to roam, then they probably did win lane phase. Too many variables you left out to really know if your story is correct and your last line makes me feel like you likely would leave out information like I mentioned just so you could sound better.
WolfChases1 votesI had a similar situation last night. Played Caitlyn vs Varus and I had about 60 cs lead during the laning phase. I had maybe 4 or 5 kills 3 or 4 deaths and close to 15 assists while having close to 270 cs comparing to their Varus who had +- 150CS endgame and than their Sona told me that we lost our lane because Varus took 1st blood on our jungler who dived them and got ulted.
You just have to ignore that srsly because they know you did better but can't face the truth so it's easier to act like a bitch.
Ralanr1 votesI just assumed taking down their tower before they take yours is winning lane.
warpenguin5551 votesno moron. kills are the only stat that matters. which is every support is either a ksing noob or just a noob /s
Pacattack251 votesI only agree with you IF your turret wasn't down to - a turret is easily worth 40 CS - just because if for no other reason than the turret is able to be used for vision and as a defensive post - that's easily 15 cs for the gold and 30 CS for the passive abilities still being there
Jimmyyy1 votesBut if I go 10/2 in lane and and I'm 30 cs ahead and get first tower I lose lane, right? That's the logic some of my low elo randoms have