Guys, you asked for AP + CDR options. You're getting them. But you have to trade mana regen for it.

TheThundersRoar·Apr 21, 2016·7 votes·551 views

If mages get more CDR, they can't have the same mana regen.

More CDR + same MP/5 = cancer wave clear and cancer poke. Can defend all day. Extra-oppressive when combined with a hard-to-duel split-pusher.

More CDR + less MP/5 = weaker mages, but they aren't doing that. What they are doing is...

More CDR + less MP/5 + bigger mana pool.

Allows for more spell rotations in a single fight/skirmish/stand-off, and hence fun, powerful mages. Sure, you can't play PvE for 45 minutes straight with Ziggs/Orianna/Xerath/Syndra/ Zyra/Viktor like back in Season 3-4, but I don't think anybody will miss that.

12 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerApr 21, 20164 votes

I was concerned about the lack of mana regen for Xerath. Tried it out on the PBE yesterday, never ran into a single problem.

AazzlanoApr 21, 20162 votes

Yeah but he has a mana sustain passive so...

C9 Scott Free Apr 21, 20163 votes

You forgot to mention losing AP in general since so many core items lost AP on them

SaiannaApr 21, 20162 votes

He also forgot to mention that some of those mage items are suited for supports now.

Penguin EclipseApr 21, 20162 votes

Ori can't PvE for even 2 minutes straight now. Neither can Syndra.

WalkingInACircleApr 21, 20162 votes

Actually we already get lategame cdr, just by using scaling cdr runes. But its rather frustrating being forced to use runes to cover up what is basically handed to other classes. ER is a slap in the face to mages.

AtheosisXApr 21, 20161 votes

CDR without mana regen is pointless. And it's not like max CDR has been hard to get...

TheThundersRoarApr 21, 20161 votes

CDR + less regen + bigger mana pool means more spell rotations in a single fight. Less waveclear/poke and stalling the game, but stronger skirmishes and teamfights.

You can't have lots of CDR and keep your mana regen, it's just not very healthy gameplay.

...Which is exactly what item 3508 does but you know how Riot is.

AtheosisXApr 21, 20164 votes

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CDR + less regen + bigger mana pool means more spell rotations in a single fight. Less waveclear/poke and stalling the game, but stronger skirmishes and teamfights.

You can't have lots of CDR and keep your mana regen, it's just not very healthy gameplay.

...Which is exactly what does but you know how Riot is.

In a game with champions like Yasuo, Zed, and Riven, the notion that mana regen and CDR are not healthy is frankly absurd. What isn't healthy is the blatant double standards that pervade so many aspects of this game.