What you said: "I'm split-pushing bot. If they come, take Baron. If they don't, I'll take an inhib."

TheThundersRoar··208 votes·8,908 views

What they heard:

"I'm going bot, so engage them 4v5 hard. Ideally hook the tank into your backline, but anything is fine as long as you start the fight ASAP."

OR

"I'm going bot. Stand by our inner tower and apply no pressure whatsoever. Don't forget to take wolves and raptors."

OR

"I'm going bot. Follow me and lead the entire enemy team here, and get in a bad teamfight because I'm a split-pusher who can't 5v5."

113 Comments

DJColdCutz119 votes

What they did: applied some pressure around baron so you could split push bot. They did their best to dodge cc and disengage appropriately, but they're only 4 solo queue players and don't have coordination/voice chat like an lcs team (rito pls). It was only a matter of time before they got engaged on 5v4 when the enemy team realized you were bot with no teleport. They lost the fight, the baron, the game.

What you assumed happened (of course, you didn't actually watch any of it because it took all your attention to afk-auto attack a turret): your team immediately tried to 4v5 the other team and baron at the same time.

ReadyxPlayerxOne5 votes

{quoted}

What they did: applied some pressure around baron so you could split push bot. They did their best to dodge cc and disengage appropriately, but they're only 4 solo queue players and don't have coordination/voice chat like an lcs team (rito pls). It was only a matter of time before they got engaged on 5v4 when the enemy team realized you were bot with no teleport. They lost the fight, the baron, the game.

What you assumed happened (of course, you didn't actually watch any of it because it took all your attention to afk-auto attack a turret): your team immediately tried to 4v5 the other team and baron at the same time.

go troll someone else

DJColdCutz64 votes

Just offering a different perspective. Had this happen to me today in a game. We were applying some pressure mid while our top laner split bot. After a couple missed hooks on us, I fucked up my morg shield, and nautalis landed one on us, and we ended up losing a 4v5. Of course our split pusher raged at us, and ending the game was more difficult than it needed to be. Shit happens, and it's not trolling to point that out. Sorry to rain on your "everyone is trash except for me" echo chamber.

LVL 5 PORO5 votes

True, shit does happen, but you shouldn't have been close enough for Naut to hook you. When you are stalling, you don't go anywhere near or within the enemies attack range. All you have to do is play back in this situation.

Yvert28 votes

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you shouldn't have been close enough for Naut to hook you.

If he is in vision range, all he has to do is flash-hook or simply receive a speed boost to engage. If he isn't, then you're not applying pressure now, are you ?

Why does everyone refuse to understand the enemy team can engage too ?

LVL 5 PORO2 votes

He didn't say he did any of that. But even if he did, its still your fault. Especially if you are playing Morg, who can blackshield all his CC. You should be aware of all their engage options and play accordingly. If he has to flash-hook, you should be so far back that its suicide for him to do so.

Choaru11 votes

They were blocking his cc, but you can't expect to block EVERY attempt. :<

Mech0p9 votes

not true I am aurellion sols god so I literally never get hit by any abilities even point and click... the only reason I'm bronze is because I let my rank decompose and the only reason I ever lose is because ny teams always feed says every lol plyer ever lol

Abyssphere2 votes

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True, shit does happen, but you shouldn't have been close enough for Naut to hook you. When you are stalling, you don't go anywhere near or within the enemies attack range. All you have to do is play back in this situation.

I feel like there is only so far you can stand back before it gets to the point where you're not actually applying pressure. If you're at Baron with the enemy team and you're making sure to stay out of Naut's flash hook range then you're far enough back that a competent enemy team will just decide to start the Baron.

LVL 5 PORO2 votes

Your job is NOT to apply pressure, its to stall until your split pusher can get a tower. And no competent team is going to start Baron with their inhib being pushed and the enemy Jungler up with the possibility of stealing.

da glorious2 votes

If you're not applying any kind of pressure, what's stopping the enemy team from backing and stopping the split push?

Doctor Dyment2 votes

God damn. I think I just heard the backboard break from that post.

Xonra7 votes

{quoted}

What they did: applied some pressure around baron so you could split push bot. They did their best to dodge cc and disengage appropriately, but they're only 4 solo queue players and don't have coordination/voice chat like an lcs team (rito pls). It was only a matter of time before they got engaged on 5v4 when the enemy team realized you were bot with no teleport. They lost the fight, the baron, the game.

What you assumed happened (of course, you didn't actually watch any of it because it took all your attention to afk-auto attack a turret): your team immediately tried to 4v5 the other team and baron at the same time.

Funny, because what usually happen:

  • Support follows me for some reason
  • adc sits at the nearest tower farming whatever lane is pushed to us or
  • adc pushes the opposite lane with no wards at all (because no one wards in solo queue) and dies.
  • jungler ignores everyone completely and just runs around farming camps or trying to "counter jungle" at 25 minutes without warding
  • mid backs to shop with about 1200 gold

or if they somehow stay together:

  • first time they see anyone on the enemy team they all dive in 4v5, then blame me for not being there and complain how "it was an easy fight but the stupid top decided to split push" all the while you might get one ward at most from any of them, no pressure anywhere, and you have to back to somehow 1v4/5 defend a tower and they get a free baron.

Sure people might not have the best coordination, but it doesn't take coordination to personally not make dumb decisions, and sometimes one right decision can be enough to get the others to not be stupid. Usually it is just 4 dumb decisions people no one likes to be "told what to do" (even if that isn't what is actually happening) so they just do "whatever they want" and die.

Spaceman5pff3 votes

My absolute favorite thing is when my team dies 4v5 and my team starts spam pinging and flaming when I don't back to "defend" the inhibitor alone vs 4/5 and instead try to get at least a t2 in exchange.

Like sorry, not my fault you don't ward and as such I can't TP. I am more than happy to TP. In fact, I was panning my cam all over that teamfight looking for something to TP on.

Ariel the Cruel31 votes

What I said: "I just dropped Zz'rot/banner bot lane. Let it build into a monster wave."

What they heard: "I need help clearing bot lane. Please come down and insta-clear the next 3 waves."

Every. Freaking. Time. (Normally, it's the ADC too.)

Supreme Senpai6915 votes

"I promoted a minion top so let's push bot or mid" -they all group as 5 top-

Every time without fail. Support life is hard sometimes.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

It's always funny when the crab or promoted minion last-hits the turret/inhib.

You suddenly get credit for taking a turret/inhib while on the other side of the map. This normally results in at least 1 "wtf/htf?".

MXXXXXL2 votes

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"I promoted a minion top so let's push bot or mid" -they all group as 5 top-

Well you grouped with them as well, so don't blame them :P

Xonra2 votes

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What I said: "I just dropped Zz'rot/banner bot lane. Let it build into a monster wave."

What they heard: "I need help clearing bot lane. Please come down and insta-clear the next 3 waves."

Every. Freaking. Time. (Normally, it's the ADC too.)

My fav is when the support does it.

Apparently split pushing support Alistar is op and no one told me.

EndlessSorcerer26 votes

I always imagined that my team-mates heard me as an adult from Charlie Brown.

Split-pusher: "Wah wah. Wah wa wa wah."

Laner: "Yes, yes."

Split-pusher: "Wah, wa Wah? WAH!!!!"

Laner: "Report X for refusing to group."

1 800 MID LANE19 votes

That's okay. I just had an adc split push after the enemy team took Baron. He got an inhib.

They got our nexus.

Lauchmelder16 votes

Worth

Xonra2 votes

{quoted}

That's okay. I just had an adc split push after the enemy team took Baron. He got an inhib.

They got our nexus.

Always my fav. Enemy is pushing onto Nexus turrets.

"Wonder where our Yi/Tryn/ADC is sees them on the bot inhib turret ah, gg then. I see"

KillerKell3 votes

Nexus only 50 Gold, you guys won that one big time!

Strabane9 votes

You forgot

"Shut the fuck up bronze noob, don't tell me how to play or what to do"

....OK? Trying to co-ordinate a play is all

"Muted and reported"

My Waifu Vanilla10 votes

I love when people pull the "god, this elo is trash" card in ranked. Dude, you got matched with us so that means you are A PART of this elo. Also, it is normally the guy 3/7 who says this.

Odinakos2 votes

Or the 12/14/0 guy that somehow managed to get there from 5/0/0. Usual quotes "You need 3 to kill me" "My team sucks, report them". Symptoms include completely refusal of communication, superiority complex and stage 3 tunnelvision.

KillerKell2 votes

I see you play with many Tryndameres.

Xonra1 votes

{quoted}

You forgot

"Shut the fuck up bronze noob, don't tell me how to play or what to do"

....OK? Trying to co-ordinate a play is all

"Muted and reported"

^ I don't get usually to this extent, but more so I just get people arguing with me, telling me "no" or pinging me to fall back because most people can't comprehend any strategy but "group and push mid" past the laning phase lol

DarkRitual4 votes

I can't trust people at me ELO to do anything but group. Because otherwise they get caught out with no vision and overextended. Every. Time.

Xonra2 votes

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I can't trust people at me ELO to do anything but group. Because otherwise they get caught out with no vision and overextended. Every. Time.

Honestly I'd be glad if the people at my ELO would just group. Half the game they are just yelling at each other to group and that same person runs off to randomly push a lane or something and get caught out.

Apollogy5 votes

Then you're part of the problem.

They won't get caught out if the rest of the team pressures the map elsewhere. If they do get caught, then either your team is really behind because 1 person just killed them... or, you haven't pressured the map enough and the enemy team can send 4-5 people after them.

Normally they'll send 1-2, and it needs to be someone who won't die 1v1, or enough to overpower the split pusher so that they can't keep pushing. This gives the rest of the team on the split pusher's side an advantage and an opportunity to push an objective. Udyr for example is amazing at split pushing because of his ability to wave clear, move quickly, tank and destroy towers, and retreat from multiple enemies at once. He's also quick enough to draw out 3 enemies on one side of the map, and then regroup with his team for a teamfight, so it'll be a 5v3, in some situations.

The issue here is that the people yelling at others to group don't understand the game. Surely, not everyone split pushing is right, and sometimes they're just not grouping and actually hidden on the enemy map and not applying pressure anywhere. But when it comes to split pushing, it's an incredibly effective tactic that will give a huge advantage to the team that responds to it properly.

When you're 4v3 or 4v2 when grabbing baron or taking a tower on the other side of the map, you've gotta take advantage of that. The split pusher will almost get caught out every single time if the enemy is free to send everyone to intercept. But if they're pressured in two places, then they've got to either lose an objective and group as 5 to take out your team (and you shouldn't engage 4v5 and then yell at the split pusher, it's not his fault ya'll done messed up), or they can split up and send 2 people to intercept the split pusher and 3 people to contest the objective.

Split pushing gives you and enormous advantage. For example, I can push out two lanes before a teamfight, and before the fight is over, the enemy team now has two turrets being threatened by our minion waves, and they'll fall if they don't do something about them. They might win the teamfight and lose 2 turrets, or they might lose the teamfight and lose 2 turrets. If I were the enemy team, I'd need at least one person to take care of those turrets. A champion like Udyr however can push both top and bot and group for a teamfight and push down mid. Now the enemy team must send 2 people, and your team gets a free inhibitor in mid.

It's complicated, but... it wins games. One game, I was a mid lane mundo, and the enemy pantheon had roughly 30 kills and 10-20 assists. Our team thought it was over. I AFK split pushed bot lane, and then rotated top partway through. They always had to send 2 people to deal with me. I ignored everything my team did as they grabbed a few dragons and pushed the remaining lanes, and eventually I grouped for a baron and we finished the game. We were going to lose that match. The enemy team was steamrolling us, but, Mundo will go where he pleases.

Xonra1 votes

Your multi paragraph rant makes no sense in relation to the comment I made.

I'm apparently part of the problem, when I never mentioned myself or my actions in the small comment I made about teams not wanting to group in ranked. You either gravely misunderstood, or are just ranting for the sake of ranting. Apparently someone else complaining about grouping, then getting caught out doing something they were just complaining about, somehow makes me "part of the problem".

Might want to check your logic before ranting, because that makes zero sense, and you are making a lot of assumptions based on information that wasn't given, and trying to assume what I meant when it was a simple comment.

Apollogy4 votes

Your reading comprehension isn't my problem to fix. Sorry.

Blackstone015 votes

Don't worry. The ADC doing raptors, the mid at wolves, and the jungler at gromp will blame you for dying and say that they were pressuring lanes.

ReadyxPlayerxOne3 votes

It's really insane how badly people misunderstand basic concepts. And how they read one thing and decide it's worth doing something totally different without informing you.

Had a Draven screaming to report my scion cause I'd ping I was gonna keep minions off nexus towers and then he'd run after the 3/16 naut to die and then yell at me for not tanking for him.

Ariel the Cruel9 votes

The other day, had our jungler gank. We traded ADCs, I (support) had to back. He decides to push in lane and start whacking turret. Enemy jungler and mid cross my deep ward. I ping retreat. He responds by spamming retreat on my while I'm returning to lane; then dies from the counter-gank.

Nothing was said.

Neamean13 votes

Damn man why would he report your car.

Levyathyn3 votes

Split pushing is a double responsibility. There's a procedure or checklist for both sides, and things can and will go wrong, but that's why it's a strategy, because it has to be risky and have paths. But not everybody understands the stakes, or knows the procedure, or is on the same page of it. It sucks, but that's the risk of playing such a tight, team-based game with looser coordination. =\

Apollogy3 votes

I just spent 66 minutes with a team that acted like that... When the ADC and Support finally started doing things and got the baron down to 1/4 HP...

I showed up, after splitting and distracting 4 of the enemies, and we finished the baron. They yelled and me and harassed me for showing up late. There was a 3 man premade, and the one person who wasn't in it, also joined in to harass me. I kept split pushing and focusing on the objectives, and we eventually won the game. The enemy team agreed that I'm the only reason they lost a turret. (We were being decimated).

About halfway through the game, I grouped for a teamfight. We deleted one of the enemy's 3 damage carries pretty quickly. I was able to charge the remaining two and keep them busy. The enemy support and jungler then killed all four of my teammates. I got out alive, which of course, is another reason to harass me.

Our team wanted to do nothing but focus the support. My split pushing usually resulted in either both the support and jungler chasing me, or one of their carries and their support and jungler. (Jungler was a poppy building full tank, while support was an Alistar building sup-tank).

I really don't understand how people can play this game for so long and still not understand how it works. They only wanted to all group mid and run down mid for a team death match and die. I was a Udyr, so naturally, teamfights aren't the best place for me, but I'm able to make an impact if I dodge skillshots and keep their carries busy. Realizing that the full tanks were killing the rest of my team somehow without so much as a titanic hydra for offense... I just ignored them and focused on pressuring all 3 lanes myself while my team fooled around in our jungle.

-_-

Yeah, it's a rant, but honestly, your post title is nearly exactly what was happening in my game. Thank you.

The Deckowner3 votes

what i said:"i amma go to side lane and put down zzrot+banner, wehave a double cannon wave there it will kill the tower on its own brb dont fight" what happens:team immediately engage into enemy team in mid lane right as i walk into the middle of river team:/all report top not grouping

GenghisEmo3 votes

I hate how common this is in low elo.

And then the ppl that cant apply pressure, cant zone out, cant stall play the blame game XD.

"Who needs strategy?" XD

sanjiluv2 votes

In this entire thread ive yet to read anything thats constructive. All the league community does is bandwagon,strawman and attack its own playerbase. Funny.

Penta Penguin2 votes

"Teemo we need you in these team-fights"

(Top inhib is already down and I'm working on mid?????)

sanjiluv2 votes

{quoted}

"Teemo we need you in these team-fights"

(Top inhib is already down and I'm working on mid?????)

Translation: I know whats best at all time always, pfft silly plebians. The mere thought of them suggesting any form of strategy to me is laughable. -everyone in this thread.

Penta Penguin2 votes

Oh sorry, I forgot Teemo's strength is baby-sitting people who are fighting for no objective in unwarded jungle. I'll just give up my pressure and go throw with them :^)

sanjiluv1 votes

{quoted}

Oh sorry, I forgot Teemo's strength is baby-sitting people who are fighting for no objective in unwarded jungle. I'll just give up my pressure and go throw with them :^)

Translation: I still know everything.

Penta Penguin2 votes

Nice argument

Iqqi2 votes

This is exactly what happens in all of silver and all of bronze. Wouldnt know about gold or higher. Never made it.

4th option. Your team members follow you bot lane.... Enemy team sees you all bot at 30 min and bum rushes baron with a numbers advantage and then proceeds to destroy your base with the buff.

Stephenizgod2 votes

What you said: "Guys we win teamfights, let's group up and fight then push to win"

What ADC heard: "Go farm that lane and push recklessly with no wards and make sure to do it alone"
What the Jungler heard: "Go to their jungle without wards and AFK farm while they push down mid"
What the Top heard: "FIGHT THEM NOW! 1V5 DO IT WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR BLOW ALL YOUR CD'S TO ALL IN THEM AND LEAVE YOURSELF NOTHING TO ESCAPE WITH. WE WILL ALL DIE 1 BY 1 TRYING TO SAVE YOU! DO IT!"

What you say after you are the only one left alive: "/all Please just push and end it..."

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