If these ardent nerfs dont kill the item, can we just remove the item from the game

CrazFight ·Oct 23, 2017·17 votes·1,227 views

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I miss when supports were champions not items.

22 Comments

RåphtałiaOct 23, 201719 votes

Regardless of Ardent or not, Supports will always be seen as items in the eyes of adcs. "GG WP, this ardent cencer cant ward ff@15"

[sg-lulu]

RainfallOct 24, 20171 votes

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Regardless of Ardent or not, Supports will always be seen as items in the eyes of adcs. "GG WP, this ardent cencer cant ward ff@15"

[sg-lulu]

brand support deals more damage than vayne in the lanephase.

Spank the FoxOct 24, 20171 votes

Brand (and Zyra) support deal more damage than any ADC pre-35 mins

I know a Zyra main who always racks up 50k damage in 30 min games

Taliyah RocksOct 23, 201710 votes

I was playing Lulu and used Ardent Censer before they were meta, i always prefered the offensive aspect of enchanters over their defensive aspect, which i why i always found Ardent Censer interesting as an item.

Sadly i'm like the reverse of a meta-sheep, whenever one of my champion becomes meta and too mainstream, i bench them. In fact i've benched all my Ardent supports for the while being, and use both Annie and Bard in the meanwhile.

The Yetii RiderOct 23, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=My Hands r 2 Big,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ELItlbTG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-23T23:12:15.633+ Sadly i'm like the reverse of a meta-sheep, whenever one of my champion becomes meta and too mainstream, i bench them. In fact i've benched all my Ardent supports for the while being, and use both Annie and Bard in the meanwhile.

Bard bwong intensifies

DoozkuOct 24, 20174 votes

Sadly i'm like the reverse of a meta-sheep, whenever one of my champion becomes meta and too mainstream, i bench them.

So a hipster?

Juggernaut628Oct 24, 20171 votes

I've found to be the same. I mained Tristana long before she was meta, and seeing her in the state that she's in now, is not only really sad, but it makes playing her just not feel as fun. She used to be this unique pick where nobody understood how her kit worked, and now she is one of, if not the most played champion in the game. And the best part is that this is because of Ardent Censer becoming op. Tristana's last buff, a 2s increase to her Q duration, was months before she was meta. Now, I literally just play Lulu. But not Ardent Lulu. On-hit/ADC Lulu in the jungle and not lane, and it's so much more fun than playing what everyone else is playing.

FatedSaviourOct 24, 20171 votes

TFW your team asks you why you dont have a redemption when you have an ardent (pre ardent meta). but i know ur feel, i dont feel as good a player when im following an item meta

PopcornBunniOct 23, 20176 votes

I've honestly never cared about the item for its passive, I just like the shield and healing power bonus attached to a decent amount of AP

Lulu

IcyPepperOct 23, 20174 votes

item 2049

Done25Oct 23, 20174 votes

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That item just needs to be removed period. Instead, they should let us buy trinket upgrades so we don't have to waste a precious item slot on item 2049 .

Sp33d Zer0Oct 24, 20174 votes

Sorry, I've only been playing since S2. When were supports only the champions and not the items? I remember Heart of Gold+ Phil stone and wards (when wards were an item). I remember stacking multiple Frozen hearts and Aegis on a team. I remember (and still see) sight stone, locket of the iron solari. I remember specific support starting items (oh wait).

Fact is, supports have always been determined by their items. Their items that IMPROVE upon the strength that already existed within their kits.

Think about it, who buys Ardent censor? The supports who want to heal + shield you to bolster your damage. These same supports have redemption, Mikael's, and to a lesser extent now Locket and Athene's.

Who buys Knight's vow? The supports who want to protect their carries and soak up damage. What items do they also have easy build access to? Frozen heart (which slows attack speed to help protect their team) and locket got buffed for them (to help soak up damage). Honestly the only out of place support item I can really think of Zeke's Convergence.

Hell, even mage supports have access to Rylai's and spooky ghosts for catching people out to be a support by forcing picks.

The thing I want to see for supports, ESPECIALLY enchanters and tank supports (because I hate mage supports) are items that allow them to work with our spell slinging and tanky friends. Sure it's nice having a personal bodyguard as an ADC, but sometimes I'm not the carry because I got camped or outplayed bot lane. I would love to see something like Zeke's convergence reworked to be better for mages, or for an ardent style item that ONLY worked on spells. Maybe give tanks something that let's them link up knight's vow style to give them a combined health pool on melee champions, or perhaps a link that increase % max health items so that it can't be as easily abused by glass cannons.

kagepaladinOct 24, 20171 votes

or you're a taric who builds item 3504 item 3109 item 3143 item 2302 item 3047 item 3083

flibitydooOct 24, 20172 votes

I wish it gave movespeed instead of attackspeed on heal/shield

and maybe iunno, double the movespeed bonus if the recipient is melee.

makes the item way less "only auto-attackers can use this" and also helps out melees with gapclosing/getting kited.

it also makes the item way more skill oriented since it isn't just generic combat stats, it makes you think about using your heals/shields differently to help teammates re-position.

ProfirixOct 24, 20172 votes

Do people realize just how insane this nerf is? Take this nerf with all the other nerfs. I'm curious to know how bad item efficiency is now. And for some reason Riot thinks that allowing the support to benefit from the passive somehow makes it ok?

Athenes LuluOct 25, 20171 votes

The item by itself without any of the passives is already 106% item efficient.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ardent_Censer I'm not making this up.

Zone of EndlessOct 24, 20171 votes

it wont be rushed anymore that's for sure

Athenes LuluOct 24, 20171 votes

I used to build it quite often before it was overbuffed because people were complaining that it was "useless" along with the support as a class itself. Now I'm finding excuses so I'll never have to rush or even build it.

As a concept the passive it gives has to be weak, since all it does is do nothing but give FREE stats to people.