Swain feels same as old.

DaedricTerror13·9/14/2016, 10:22:46 AM·1 votes·584 views

EDIT: atm anyway.

With the Grand nerf to swains healing from R he just feels like the old Swain with actually a best less predictable power on the damage front and control because of his previous nerfs (which were meant to be balanced around this new empowered and improved ult)

Can you at least make the ult healing scaling 0.2 Instead of the 0.11 it seems to be now? So late game, you can feel a lot better with your items, as his tankiness really falls off and becomes almost nothing ultra late game, and you can't really build full tank anymore.

This will keep his early and mid game the same, whilst giving him that extra push to be perfectly viable ultra late.

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Alutrosity9/14/2016, 5:41:05 PM1 votes

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EDIT: atm anyway.

With the Grand nerf to swains healing from R he just feels like the old Swain with actually a best less predictable power on the damage front and control because of his previous nerfs (which were meant to be balanced around this new empowered and improved ult)

If you're not healing enough then you build spirit visage, and this is ontop of RoA healing him for mana spent continuously.

Can you at least make the ult healing scaling 0.2 Instead of the 0.11 it seems to be now? So late game, you can feel a lot better with your items, as his tankiness really falls off and becomes almost nothing ultra late game, and you can't really build full tank anymore.

First, tanks are meant to get shredded late game because in the late game the ADC and the mage have armor pen and magic pen, possibly with grievous wounds equipped for dealing with him. Secondly, Swain is not a tank, he's a battle mage with an emphasis on standing right along side his jungler and main tank as they go in and serve as a three man front line for the support and ADC.

Secondly Swain became nearly broken because Riot didn't know how to balance his his healing, something they never should have touched in the first place, and should have simply added two additional ravens instead while retaining the healing for damage dealt mechanic, made it obnoxiously overpowered and were forced to put it on a higher cooldown to limit its accessibility. If you buff the ult, the same problem will come back, and Riot will have to raise the cooldown again, making it even more difficult for Swain to skirmish like he is supposed to.

This will keep his early and mid game the same, whilst giving him that extra push to be perfectly viable ultra late.

Swain isn't meant to be an ultra-late game carry, he is a mid-game carry, as sustain is most potent then due to the ADC's focus on getting their damage as high as possible before building lifesteal and armor pen. The main tank will be unable to outlast Swain in mid-game as their hp and resistances have likely only been itemized to deal with their top lane opponent and possibly the jungler, most of which are usually physical damage, giving Swain another innate advantage. Let your enemy's tanks reach full build and Swain will no longer be able to kill them as he has no means of bringing down their health in a meaningful way, since his combo rotation E+Q+W is only meant for a single target, and Ravenous Flock will not do enough damage to melt the tanks on its own due to its purpose being to keep Swain alive in big fights while outputting respectable damage, it is not there to be used primarily as a killing tool.

This is why he's going to be reworked in the coming years. Riot fucked up, won't admit to their mistake, and would much rather either find a quick and simple fix to shut players up in the form of a nerf, or wait years to rework him because the only way they'd revert any changes is if they come to the conclusion that they want him to have a bigger presence in the LCS, and a mechanical change is unlikely, since his mechanics aren't the problem, it's his consistency and players inability to accurately determine his identity.

DaedricTerror139/15/2016, 8:29:40 AM1 votes

First of all, he doesn't need reworked, he's been this way for years and hes great, they didn't fuck up, he's got his strengths and weaknesses, and tbh, he's one of the few balanced champs in the game, it's mobility that is king in this game, tank ekko holy shit.

Also I already get spirit visage, I'm asking for a minor buff to his scaling healing to help his late game survivability, do you really think hes some immortal god vs a vayne doing 700-1.5k crits? no lol.