What are good benchmark numbers for Nasus Q's?

Onwodori··1 votes·1,488 views

Hey there, an summoner 3 ed Onwodori here.

For you Nasus players, what are some good standards for Q stacks to live by? Let's say at:

10 minutes 20 minutes 30 minutes +

What should I be looking to have? Obviously the more the better, but when can I feel confident in knowing I've bee farming pretty well?

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-Onwodori

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Yaśuo Main2 votes

go for 500 at 5, so now you will trick yourself into thinking 250 at 5 minutes is normal and now you become the best nasoos in the world

Juggernaut6282 votes

In complete honesty, you should have 420 cs by 20 minutes. I'm not joking around here as I've come real close and I barely play Nasus. My brother who is the "best Nasus in the world" says that you want to have 420 cs by 20 minutes and it isn't as farfetched as it may seem.

Generally by 35-40 minutes you want to get over 800 stacks because your team doesn't need you if you just end the game on your own.

Lucasman1 votes

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In complete honesty, you should have 420 cs by 20 minutes. I'm not joking around here as I've come real close and I barely play Nasus. My brother who is the "best Nasus in the world" says that you want to have 420 cs by 20 minutes and it isn't as farfetched as it may seem.

Generally by 35-40 minutes you want to get over 800 stacks because your team doesn't need you if you just end the game on your own.

Aim for 500 at 20 as that is perfect, generally speaking though if you have 300 or more at 20 youre in good shape. I like to go for 1000 or like 900 by 30 depending on how much early pressure i want to give by fighting with team rather than stacking. this all can change drastically depending on enemy laner and enemy jungler

Swiftstrike42 votes

This is a question I think a lot of Nasus players have when they pick up the champion. It depends on how long you have played the champion too and I think if you are a novice player, your stacks will be on the lower end. Sometimes Nasus players spend the whole game stacking and then lose because they don't take objectives.

I am a Gold III Nasus main with over million mastery with the champion. I know when I am "stacking well" and not. I also understand when it is OK to stack. Some games you can't and others you can. Stack too long though and you will lose those games.

For the Novice Nasus (new or learning) these are OK stack ranges:

  • 10 minutes: About 70-100

  • 20 minutes: 225-275

  • 30 minutes: 350-450

  • 40 minutes: 550-600

I think a rate of 100 stacks every 10 minutes is totally fine if you are learning the champion and have not played him for awhile. You are strong enough to be relevant, but you probably are not optimally stacking.

These are the stack ranges appropriate for seasoned Nasus players. People that have played Nasus for awhile (rank is irrelevant this is applicable to all regular Nasus players. These numbers and ranges are a bit more specific.

Bad Stack Rates: If you are stacking at this rate you are probably having a rough game, getting zoned off farm, and dying a lot

  • 10 minutes - 80
  • 20 minutes - 250
  • 30 minutes - 350
  • 40 minutes - 450

Average Stack Rates: This is the rate you should consistently get that is considered "good" for a seasoned player. You should be around this rate in almost ALL your games if you play the champion a lot.

  • 10 minutes: 115-120 anything over 100 stacks in the first ten minutes is fine.
  • 20 minutes: 375-400
  • 30 minutes: 550
  • 40 minutes: 650-700

Ideal (God Tier): This is the stack rate of a Nasus that literally free farmed the whole game and there was no pressure in laning or on the map that warranted the player to stop stacking. I don't think these rates occur very often unless you are playing against players significantly worse than you. I am talking one full division or lower.

  • 10 minutes: 175-200
  • 20 minutes: 500
  • 30 minutes: 700
  • 40 minutes: 850-1000

Most of the time if you are a participant on your team your stack rates will drop off in** the post 20 minute mark of the game**. Why is that? Because at that point you as Nasus should be doing stuff. You should be pressuring towers and shoving waves to them (losing stacks) or grouped with your team (also losing stacks). If you DO NOT do this you will almost always have a really high stack count, but you will probably lose the game. Basically you are not doing anything to help your team win. a

I mostly find myself in the average range in most of my games. Every now and then I find myself in God Tier or Bad category. In your games, regardless if you win or lose, you should be in the average category about 80% of the time. Consistency is really important with Nasus and this should be your goal with him if you want to have over a 50% winrate with him.

Note a few other things about stacks:

  • Stacks have "diminishing returns" the longer the game goes. Opponents have probably itemized appropriately for your damage and they will focus their CC on you in fights. Basically the punch of your Q doesn't matter too much as a team builds more defense in the post 30 minute mark.
  • After 500 stacks you do enough damage - Your focus should shift away from stacking, you do enough damage to kill any squishy with about 3 Qs stacks. Past this point stacks are not at all that important since you are a force with which to be reckoned.
  • 850-1000 stacks, are typically losses. Guess what? If your stacks are this high without being within the "God Tier" quota the game has gone on TOO LONG. It is probably a very very close game OR your team was playing from a huge deficit the whole time. The likelihood of you winning the game is not good either way. Look at it this way if you have 800 stacks and you haven't won the game "what have you been doing all this time". That's a lot of damage and if you are not utilizing that damage or are not a threat on the board it means you could have 2000 stacks and it wouldn't matter because the opposing team knows how to deal with you OR your team is so weak they can't stay alive long enough for you to Q everyone. Either way you will probably lose this game unless you literally ignored your team and never grouped for about 40 minutes and then decided "hey I am going to group and win." Basically you didn't do enough in the mid game to capitalize on your damage and you are in a tough spot.

Stack rates drop off as the game goes on in general because you are typically doing stuff with your team. I really don't pay attention to my stack count after 500 post 25 minutes. They just aren't that important anymore as trying to win the game.

When asking "where should I be" with Nasus I always tell players "go to the lane with the closest tower". When you go where the towers are you are probably positioning right with Nasus. Edge lanes are preferable to the middle lane if the towers up are within the same tier.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well its gonna kinda be a lil less in the 1st ten and then by 20 -25 mins jump alot due to having core items and having previous stacks making it easier to last hit with Q to have more stacks.

if you are able to farm on a regular basis early between 1st spawn of creeps til 10 min mark you should have 65-90 cs in general... and lets say 80 as a mid average and out of that 80 cs you should have about 50-65 stacks of Q

once you are able to get more CDR you will be able to stack with Q easier... so from 10-20 mins you should have 150-200 stacks by 20 mins in.

end game after all the cs with Q and kills using Q by 30-35 min mark 350 stacks + i have games where i have upwards to 500 stacks by end of game

considering average game is 35-40 mins long ...

the issue is knowing how to manage farming with Q and grouping with team to fight...

some never do group til they have 200+ stacks and will split til then to farm and if you can do that safely and your team isnt getting dominated on the map its ok but if they are having issues getting pressure and objectives or winning fights with out you its ideal to group and try to get your stacks as your grouped which will lower the amount greatly .

if possible i run flat ad reds, armor quints, hp seals and cdr blues and 12--0-18 set up

and i rush item 3024 item 1028 item 3057 in lane as my 1st 3 items. you can build in the order needed for lane but those 3 basic items will give you 30% cdr (+plus runes will be higher) and you have armor, mana, hp, and your sheen to proc more damage when you use Q, or any of your abilities and auto right after words.

if youre ahead you can build sheen into tri but if your struggling go into iceborn gauntlet and spirit visage taking advantage of the 3 basic items you already built and maximizing your gold efficiency .

i do like the combo of item 3025 item 3053 on nasus cuz the base ad bonus from item 3053 stacks with the bonus ad proc from item 3057 making the damage higher.

final build being something similar to either

item 3078 item 3110 item 3742 item 3053 item 3065 item 3009 item 3047 item 3111

or item 3025 item 3065 item 3053 item 3742 item 3083 item 3009 item 3047 item 3111

LordSauron221 votes

As a support main.....I say a good Nasus Stack should be a Solid 1 at 50 minutes.

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